Ceroc Moves

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Can anyone who was in 'O' Donoghues last night (26th) tell me all the moves we did?? I know we did the Octopus & hatchback, but what were the names of the first move and the third move?
Just need to know these, as I now keep a list of all the moves we do each week so I don't forget.

Cheers

[Sal]

The first move was a "side to side" and the third was a "push spin".

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Cheers Sal
There seemed to be a bit of confusion to with the push spin, alot of the men were not pushing, just using it as a walk around, one of them being my boyfriend
Is it actually meant to be a proper push spin, but not spinning totally 360 degrees.?

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Think I meant the 2nd move, I know the 3rd one was a push spin when the men have to raise their hand to their shoulder and push to spin the lady 360 degrees, but the other one when the hand had to push down low, (that's the one where there was confusion)
Does that make sense? hope it does as am still confused?

[Sal]

Ok, the third move was a push spin, and you do spin 360 degrees. The push from the men is supposed to be quite short and sweet - although some men were turning it into a turn by raising their arms.

I think the bit that you were confused on is the fact that Lorna was trying to teach the ment to push down when they are leading a push spin. This is simply so that they do not hit the woman in the face when trying to push her!

Hope that helps.

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Yeah got ya I think Sal, its my boyfriend that is confusing me, we have the push spin bit, (3rd move)
what was the other move that we did, when the man has to take the ladies right hand up to his left shoulder and end up side by side? and then end up swapping places?
That was meant to be another push spin was it??
As in the beginners class the beginner men were being either being lazy or confused to the way Lorna was teaching it by going a bit slow.

When dancing with the Intermediate / Advanced men, they said it was a push spin?

Hope am not being thick, this is for Andy's clarification not mine..!!

[xSalsa_Angelx]

got it now Sal, it was the Hatchback that was the 2nd move, and it is a 360 deg turn,
men were being confusing and only walking around and swapping over, that's what got us, but steps are as follows:

Step back,
step in taking right hand to left shoulder and flat. lady does same standing to your right side and flat hand too,
lever out with your right hand in a clockwise motion pushing the lady behind you and into a 360o clockwise spin, while you turn 180o clockwise to face her as she exits,
catch right hand
return lady anti-clockwise to balance her spinning-ness.

So I was right

Typical men, always right or so they think..!!!!!

So all moves then were, Side to side, Hatchback, Pushspin, Octopus, is that correct?

I'm going to shut up now and get on with some work now..!!!!

[Gadget]

Originally posted by xSalsa_Angelx
So all moves then were, Side to side, Hatchback, Pushspin, Octopus, is that correct?

Not very good with the names, but "Pushspin" is generally an exit from a move rather than a move it's self;
1st move push-spin, yo-yo push-spin, ...

...erm...:sorry: ... now I think on it; L to R hold, lead in taking L hand to L shoulder, palm to palm grip and R hand to ladies R hip (face to face) then push down & away with the L hand while pulling the hip accross with the R, catch & return.

Does that sound right?

The Hatch-back I'm fairly sure is similar; R to R hold, lead to side taking L hand to L shoulder, lady's arm across chest, flaten hand to have ladies flat on top of yours. push arm in arc down to lady's far hip sharply and let the body follow the arm to turn 180º, catch & return
{Isn't that what you said above??}

A Hatch-back followed by a push-spin; sounds like you could get a a bit dizzy to me!

[Sal]

Originally posted by xSalsa_Angelx

So all moves then were, Side to side, Hatchback, Pushspin, Octopus, is that correct?

That's it!

By the way, ignore gadget, he wasn't even there!

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Yep, think that' s it, Cheers

Hmmmm ripping my hair out here, its been bugging me all morning,

Think I should ask a Taxi, Marleeeeeeeeeene..!!!!

just when you do the Hatchback, am I meant to turn (similar way done as a pushspin)
That's what we are confused at, so it must be that men don't lead well enough,
Danced with 2 advanced men last night and managed to turn during this move, but not with others, it was just a walk round.

Do you get me?

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Cheers sal..

See another confusing man, but 'A' bless helpful too

[Sal]

Originally posted by xSalsa_Angelx
Yep, think that' s it, Cheers
just when you do the Hatchback, am I meant to turn (similar way done as a pushspin)
That's what we are confused at, so it must be that men don't lead well enough,
Danced with 2 advanced men last night and managed to turn during this move, but not with others, it was just a walk round.

Do you get me?

I think you are getting confused with the different exits we were using last night.

With the hatchback (move 2), when the man extends his arm away from his chest, it is done with a certain amount of force. This is the signal to the woman to spin, and she does a full 360 degree spin. At the same time, the man moves round 180 degrees so that when the woman stops her spin, she is facing him.

The first move (side to side) was exited by the man throwing (gently!) the womans hand down and to the left. This is not a spin as such, as the man and woman need to change places, but the woman needs to turn 180 degree to face the man for the next move.

I hope that helps, but these things can be difficult to visulise! May be easier to hail a taxi on tuesday.

[Gadget]

Originally posted by Sal
By the way, ignore gadget, he wasn't even there!

...people ignore me even when I am there...

I still say that hatch-back followed by push-spin makes for one dizzy lady.

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Yeah sure does, but not as dizzy as Steve Jones (From salsa class) made me at the beach ballroom on saturday night, he was spinning me loads on purpose to make me dizzy and sick.

[Sal]

Every move involves a spin/turn for the lady somewhere. We just get used to it. (Although 2 full windmills in a row is a bit mean!)

You should have seen the men complaining last night when they had a spin to do in one move. Yet the women are expected to spin from their first night.

[xSalsa_Angelx]

was that in the intermediate class sal??

Never joined in that one last night, had to go down to the beginners class to keep my boyfriend company,

But Len was kind enough t show me some of the intermediate moves, I quite liked that ballroom type move.

[Sal]

Yup, the intermediate class revised some of the UCAP moves from the saturday workshop. I am not surprised you liked that on, SalsaAngel, classic merengue!

[Lou]

This might be a handy tip to what seems to be a common problem...

When I'm dancing as a man with a beginner lady who is having difficulty with the hatchback, I suggest to her that she doesn't try to think about it - just to let her body follow where her hand goes. That way she always turns in the right direction. And as there's only one way a man can flick her, it works with beginner men, too!

As far as which way a man turns - he should let the momentum of the flick let his body turn away.

It seems to work for me, anyway.

[xSalsa_Angelx]

Yeah enjoyed that,
did not like the class they taught at the ballroom though, thought that was a bit sleazy, rubbing your hands up and down the man from the back, just the thought of moving on to the next victim and he is a 60 year old man,

[Rachel]

Originally posted by Gadget
...people ignore me even when I am there...

I don't believe that for a minute!

I still say that hatch-back followed by push-spin makes for one dizzy lady. [/quote]

Oh but I love that combination - and similar. The only real difficulty is when you have a very sticky floor.
Rachel