[ SPOILER THREAD ] Deathly hallows discussion.

[Dancing Veela]

Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

Yeah I was wondering that. In the Epilogue Draco "nods" towards Harry in what I assume is a grudgingly given acknowledgement to Harry saving him. But the fact remains that Draco, his friends, His family etc all were actively trying to kill Harry. or does the concept of "attempted murder" not apply to non-muggles.

"You are hear by charged with attempted murder.. how do you plead?"
"Guilty m'lud but I'm really REALLY Sorry!"
"You are? well that's ok then.. off you go then sonny.. don't do it again"

Yes but remember if Draco's mother hadn't lied and said that Harry was dead then the big V would have killed him whilst Harry was still lying on the ground and not able to get to his wand in time!

I want to know what happened to everybody else! - What about Luna?

[Baruch]

Originally Posted by Dancing Veela

Yes but remember if Draco's mother hadn't lied and said that Harry was dead then the big V would have killed him whilst Harry was still lying on the ground and not able to get to his wand in time!

True - but the point is, nobody but Harry knew anything about that. As far as anyone else knew, the Malfoys were loyal Death-eaters who had fought for Voldemort in the assault on Hogwarts.

Originally Posted by Dancing Veela

I want to know what happened to everybody else! - What about Luna?

She obviously survived, or her death would have been mentioned.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by Dancing Veela

I want to know what happened to everybody else! - What about Luna?

Originally Posted by Baruch

She obviously survived, or her death would have been mentioned.

Personally I think she got frazzled by a Wrackspurt and is lost in Hogwarts her brain too fuzzy to find her way out.

"A Wrackspurt .. they're invisible, they float in through your ears and make your brain go fuzzy," she said. "I thought I felt one zooming around in here."

have to Say Luna is one of my favourite characters.. and played excellently in the recent film. Just the right level of detachment from reality


(why if she was male.. and 37.. and a geek not a witch.. and real.. why she'd .. ahem I mean.. he'd be me !)

[purpleheather]

Originally Posted by Dancing Veela

I want to know what happened to everybody else! - What about Luna?

Of course Luna survived. The morning after the battle, in all the celebration, she is the one who creates the diversion to let Harry get away under the cloak to get some peace and quiet away from everyone in the Headmaster's study with just Ron and Hermione (see page 597).

[Mezzosoprano]

After three days I'm now emotionally ready to contribute....

Gutted doesn't describe it!!!

It was a bloodbath!! I'm so upset about Fred, Remus and Dora Tonks, I mean for heaven's sake they'd just had a baby!!! and poor Dobby!!

Kreacher came through in the end though, which was quite good but on the whole, I'm emotionally drained....

Very proud of Molly Weasley ... I hope if I was in a similar situation I'd have the presence of mind to yell "Get away from her you bitch!!"

I too have many many questions though.. how come fred got killed off and not that prat percy who only turned up at the end... dozy buXXer.

[purpleheather]

Sorry, should have included this in last post.

As far as Draco is concerned, I'm not sure about the logic of him staying free. Presumably it is because he has been acting more and more under duress as far as Voldemort is concerned. At the start, in HBP, he is keen to work for Voldemort, but when it comes to the crunch at the end of that book and he is face to face with Dumbledore:

(Malfoy).... "I'm about to kill you"
"My dear boy, let us have no more pretence about that. If you were doing to kill me, you would have done it when you first Disarmed me, you would not have stopped for this pleasant chat about ways and means"
"I haven't got any options!" said Malfoy, and he was suddenly as white as Dumbledore. "I've got to do it! He'll kill me! He'll kill my whole family!"
(more stuff by Dumbledore)... I can help you Draco"
"No you can't," said Malfoy, his wand hand shaking very badly indeed. "Nobody can. he told me to do it or he'll kill me. I've got no choice"

And in the chapter in Deathly Hallows, for some reason Draco fails to confirm that Harry is Harry - and seems even reluctant to be involved.

The feeling in Book 7 (admittedly I read it quite quickly, so there are probably finer nuances which have escaped me and will need re-reading for me to pick up) is that the Malfoys have got themselves in deeper with Voldemort than they actually like, and now that they are seeing JUST how evil he is, up close, they are not quite so keen on him (see the Malfoys reluctance in chapter 1).

So it is possible that they have had a change of heart.

The other possibility is - similar to their position throughout books 1-5 - is that they manage to deny the connection/claim that they were under the imperius curse, and continue to avoid Azkaban by having friends high up in the Ministry and making copious donations to Ministry funds and charity.

[purpleheather]

Originally Posted by Mezzosoprano

Kreacher came through in the end though, which was quite good but on the whole, I'm emotionally drained....

Very proud of Molly Weasley ... I hope if I was in a similar situation I'd have the presence of mind to yell "Get away from her you bitch!!"

I, for one, am also glad that Neville got a chance to shine at long last, firstly as the "rebel" leader within Hogwarts, fighting back at the Carrows et al, and finally by getting to kill the snake in full view of everyone.

What I want to know is - After the goblin made off with Gryffindor's sword in Gringotts, how did it get back into the Sorting Hat? That one REALLY has me flummoxed.

[Baruch]

Originally Posted by purpleheather

What I want to know is - After the goblin made off with Gryffindor's sword in Gringotts, how did it get back into the Sorting Hat? That one REALLY has me flummoxed.

I bet Griphook would be annoyed! It's the same as in Chamber of Secrets, when Harry pulls the sword out of the hat. It's magic that works only for a true Gryffindor.

[Dancing Veela]

Originally Posted by purpleheather

Of course Luna survived. The morning after the battle, in all the celebration, she is the one who creates the diversion to let Harry get away under the cloak to get some peace and quiet away from everyone in the Headmaster's study with just Ron and Hermione (see page 597).

Oh I know she survived (and I agree, Luna in the film was absolutely perfect) - but I wanted to know what happened to her 19 years later - I thought she might marry Prof Longbottom!).

By the way - did I miss it in my rush? ........who is the headmaster of Hogwarts 19 years on? And do they still teach 'Defence against the Dark Arts?' - I mean I guess so because they were teaching it before Voldemort came on the scene.

I am also thrilled Mollly got the chance to shine in such a big way - I mean she's never fought in any of the battles before!

[NZ Monkey]

Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

Yeah I was wondering that. In the Epilogue Draco "nods" towards Harry in what I assume is a grudgingly given acknowledgement to Harry saving him. But the fact remains that Draco, his friends, His family etc all were actively trying to kill Harry. or does the concept of "attempted murder" not apply to non-muggles.

This was the thing that I didn't understand.

When the trio are captured and taken to the Malfoy household, Draco is evasive when his parents press him to identify Harry. I took this to mean that he had been having second thoughts about Lord V. and his Death Eaters, proving that his soul might have actually been worth saving after all. I was looking forward to him being useful in some way that involved his own free will later in the book.

Yet in the Battle of Hogwarts he is quite clearly trying to do his worst again as if he hadn't learned a thing in the last two years.

Despite this he seems to be accepted if not actually welcomed by the people he had tried to kill in the epilogue.

[Caro]

Originally Posted by NZ Monkey

Despite this he seems to be accepted if not actually welcomed by the people he had tried to kill in the epilogue.

yeah I did find that odd too. The only thing I can think about is that maybe JKR wanted kids to realise that there is a difference between your school 'enemies' and real bad/evil. Although Malfoy did his fair share of evil (but still he wasn't able to kill Dumbledore and sort of disobey the death heaters by not identifying Harry... I guess he's not 'totally lost').



On a different note, having re-read HP 1 now, there's something I don't quite understand. We know from that book and No 7 that Snape was trying to prevent Quirell from getting the philosopher's stone, yet both he and Dumbledore suspected that Voldemort was behind Quirell. So how come Voldemort, who apparently always thought Snape to be on his side, 'forgave' him later from getting in Quirell's way ?

[Beowulf]

Speaking of the sorting hat..

I've been sorted



Apparently I'm with Harry . even though I thought I was more likely to be in Hufflepuff

[NZ Monkey]

Originally Posted by Caro

On a different note, having re-read HP 1 now, there's something I don't quite understand. We know from that book and No 7 that Snape was trying to prevent Quirell from getting the philosopher's stone, yet both he and Dumbledore suspected that Voldemort was behind Quirell. So how come Voldemort, who apparently always thought Snape to be on his side, 'forgave' him later from getting in Quirell's way ?

When Bellatrix questions him about this in HBP Snape tells her that he thought Voldemort was dead and that Quirrel was acting on his own. Snape confessed to having a cushy job somewhere he wasn't villified for being an ex-Death Eater constantly and had Dumbledores protection. He wanted to keep it that way.

[Caro]

Originally Posted by NZ Monkey

When Bellatrix questions him about this in HBP Snape tells her that he thought Voldemort was dead and that Quirrel was acting on his own. Snape confessed to having a cushy job somewhere he wasn't villified for being an ex-Death Eater constantly and had Dumbledores protection. He wanted to keep it that way.

cheers NZM, I had forgotten about that indeed

[Lou]

Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

I've been sorted

[David Franklin]

Here is a (long) webchat discussion where JK Rowling answers a lot of questions post-DH:

Harry Potter Fan Zone | News Archive

Enjoy!

[Baruch]

Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

I've been sorted

Here's mine:

[NZ Monkey]

Originally Posted by David Franklin

Here is a (long) webchat discussion where JK Rowling answers a lot of questions post-DH:

Harry Potter Fan Zone | News Archive

Enjoy!

Thanks for that David!

[Barry Shnikov]

Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

Iall in all a good read.. even if at times it read more like a camping book than a harry potter novel.

That was my abiding impression.

[Mezzosoprano]

I can't do the link... but apparently I'm a Gryffindor....