BNP for Parliament?

[Gus]

Its a worrying new phenomenon, but many 'right thinking people' now see the BNP etc as a realistic option.

Per Yahoo news "White, working class voters are turning to the far right British National Party because they believe Labour is not listening to them, a government minister has warned.

Employment minister Margaret Hodge said that as many as eight out of 10 white families in her Barking constituency in east London admitted that they were tempted to vote BNP."

The more I think about it, I've realised that I have many concerns that the main parties appearing to ignore the immigration problems etc. Its strange that as a "mixed-heritage" person I would view the BNP with anything other than complete contempt ... but desperate times sometimes call for desperate measures. If you live in area like Bradford where whites are becoming an(oppressed?) minority, you can understand how the fear develops.

However, the spectre of BNP members having a say in politics is nearly as scary as the current situation ......

Edit ... Strange, its the holiest day of the year (for some) .... when Man should be thankfull for his eternal salvation through the risen Lord .... yet the BNP news and the report of yet another serviceman murdered in Iraq makes salvation seem a very long way away...

[DianaS]

Gus
Have you been thinking again??

[Dreadful Scathe]

I was dancing with the easter bunny

[RogerR]

I live in Newham where white brits were a minority according to the 2001 census. I know several people who profess BNP sympathy, including several inteligent black people.They want an official acknowledgment that they whatever their origin are British and speak good English and live and care about here and that this is important. Several make dispariging remarks about British pasport holders who speak little or no English, and socialise only among their own racial group.

We have "honour killings" -Murders- where a dowry wasnt great enough or where a muslim has romanced a sikh. We have whole streets where English is not spoken.

My immediate manager is a young Somalian, He speaks good English, and manages well. He also chastises severely any of the Pakistanis or Bangladeshis who revert to Urdu or Bangla among themselves which several need to for lack of the English language.

Enoch Powell was right the streets will run with blood, as likely Sikh v Hindu V Muslim in East London. Green Lanes N London already fights Greek v Greek and V Turk.

People want to come to Britain because of what it was, then they want to change it. All the time the REAL Britain is exporting jobs to where people have come from Eastern Europe, Asia, and the Far East!

All the major parties have too mich at stake to even consider the Race/British issue. the BNP has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[Dance Demon]

I reckon the UK must be one of the very few places that panders to the whims of the immigrant communities, nearly always to the detriment of our own society. we regularly change things and ban things because they might upset ethnic "minorities". We rarely take into account that some of the minorities cultures and beliefs might offend us. This is our country, and anyone who comes to live here must be prepared to accept the way we live and to embrace our cultures. I have no problem with immigrants continuing to practice their faith, but I do object to people who believe that the white western world are infedels being allowed to come here. If they think we all so bad, then stay in their own countries. This county has gone PC crazy,with fear of discriminating against certain groups to the extent that the most put upon group is straight white males

[Paul F]

Im just worried that Gus's threads are becoming too tame and non-controversial

This is a tricky thread to reply to. I dare say that many people have views on the subject but putting them down in writing is always problematic.

On the subject I have mixed feelings. On the one hand I too despair at all of the 'political correctness' going on. To me a blackboard in a classroom will always be that - a blackboard. Not a chalkboard or whatever else it was renamed to.

On the other hand I do not have a problem with the ethnic diversity of this country. What I do have a problem with is the segregation. Thats where the problems come from IMO. Of course its only natural you would want to live around people of your own ethnic origins when you emmigrate somewhere but that causes a segregated society. Seperation such as this will only fuel the 'them and us' mentality. Trouble is, how can you prevent it or, indeed, is it possible?

Ultimately, I am just wary of believing any stories I hear reported in the media. Im sure the occurences of such stories are true but the details around them can always be selected!
If I were to believe all the stories I would have to conclude that the UK is descending into anarchy with out-of-control youth crime, terrorism, rampant violent crime and so on. At present I am trying not to think that but its becoming more and more difficult.

So, my views on the BNP. I cannot give one. I dont know anything about them and whether they could effectively ease my concerns. I am not going to instantly dismiss them based on what I see in the news. Thats a bit naive IMO. I also would not vote for them without finding out who they are and what they intend to do. All I know is something needs to be done. If it isn't I can see myself very easily emmigrating away from the UK.

[ducasi]

I don't think Scotland has as much of a problem as parts of England has with racial tension, or if it does I must just be unaware...

I have a couple of simple problems with the BNP.

1. It is a party of racists, led by a convicted racist.
2. Their notion of "British" is alien to me.

But then, I'm Scottish – being also "British" means little to me. And I would like Scotland to be an independent nation. (We might allow the English here to stay... Well, some of them. )


As for "Political Correctness" for the sake of minority ethnic groups – I can't think of any example which has affected me. Any examples?

[Paul F]

Originally Posted by ducasi

But then, I'm Scottish – being also "British" means little to me. And I would like Scotland to be an independent nation. (We might allow the English here to stay... Well, some of them. )

You might have to be a little more accommodating than that if this is anything to go by:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Scotland

[ducasi]

Originally Posted by Paul F

You might have to be a little more accommodating than that if this is anything to go by:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Scotland

Not sure what you're trying to tell me via that page. If you mean the recent influx of Eastern Europeans, I think it's a good thing – all adds to the unique character of Scotland.

[Paul F]

Originally Posted by ducasi

Not sure what you're trying to tell me via that page. If you mean the recent influx of Eastern Europeans, I think it's a good thing – all adds to the unique character of Scotland.

"Since the census of 2001, the Scottish Executive and leading academics in Scotland, have expressed concern over the falling number of births in Scotland and the ageing and declining of the population...."

"Compounding the problem of a declining and ageing population...."

It sounds as if the ratio of births to deaths is a worrying one. Im sure Scotland isnt alone though.

[El Salsero Gringo]

Originally Posted by Gus

Man should be thankfull for his eternal salvation through the risen Lord ....

Don't panic - I gather Voldemort gets his come-uppance in book seven.

[Dreadful Scathe]

Originally Posted by El Salsero Gringo

Don't panic - I gather Voldemort gets his come-uppance in book seven.

hang on? the original turn of phrase suggests Gus is a death eater! I think we should be told.


Still at least he's pure and not a dirty mudblood

[Gus]

Originally Posted by El Salsero Gringo

Don't panic - I gather Voldemort gets his come-uppance in book seven.

Hmmmm .... there are boundaries about insulting peoples religions, especially as we live in historically CHRISTIAN country .... whether I believe or not, ther are a lot of people on this Forum who DO believe and its a bit shallow to diss their beliefs about their holiest day of the year. Given the track record of your own faith I think a bit more leeway should be given before stomping in with ridicule .... I think there are far better things you could have a go at.

Though, rather proves the point about tolerance doesn't it though

[stewart38]

Some of the things they stand for


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Leader Nick Griffin also called for EU withdrawal, the restoration of capital punishment and an end to immigration.

He said British troops should be pulled out of Iraq and used to patrol Dover and the Channel Tunnel to keep out illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

And he pledged to introduce "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home".


He said the main issue at this election was for the British to regain control of their own country.

Mr Griffin also wants the reintroduction of national service and said everyone who had undergone it should be required to keep a modern assault rifle at home.

"It's there to shoot burglars with if they want, it's there to shoot people who invade this country if they want, and if in the end a tyrannical government wants to usurp the rights and freedoms of the people it is there to use against the government as well," he said.

He added that this would disprove the "smear" that his party was totalitarian.


If the government dont address concerns about race and immigration then people will look to else where
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I think the main point is the last comment

[El Salsero Gringo]

Originally Posted by Gus

HGiven the track record of your own faith

What's the track record of my faith, then?

[Dreadful Scathe]

Originally Posted by Gus

Hmmmm .... there are boundaries about insulting peoples religions, especially as we live in historically CHRISTIAN country .... whether I believe or not, ther are a lot of people on this Forum who DO believe and its a bit shallow to diss their beliefs about their holiest day of the year. Given the track record of your own faith I think a bit more leeway should be given before stomping in with ridicule .... I think there are far better things you could have a go at.

We're historically pagan as well of course, history is a funny thing - you can find what you want if you look. I didn't detect ridicule in ESGs comment, I thought it was a funny response, prompted by his disagreement with your statement that all should be thankfull. Surely thats ok?

Though, rather proves the point about tolerance doesn't it though

ESG's response or yours ? You're not usually this touchy Gus, just let the heathens wander aimlessly

[Gus]

Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe

ESG's response or yours ? You're not usually this touchy Gus, just let the heathens wander aimlessly

Fair point. How about getting this thread back on track.

How about relocating all immigrants to Scotland? There's lots of room, not many people living there (well, no one that matters) and we ALL know that they need some serious help with their cricket team?

[stewart38]

Originally Posted by Gus

Fair point. How about getting this thread back on track.

How about relocating all immigrants to Scotland? There's lots of room, not many people living there (well, no one that matters) and we ALL know that they need some serious help with their cricket team?

NOOOOOOOOOOO


That would mean instead of referring to Scotland in the National weather from the BBC for 4 secs out of a minute it would go up to 6 secs

The whole world needs to know when we get a flake of snow in london and long may it last

having more people in Scotland would mean that people would have to know a bit more then its 'somewhere North of Watford, not a lot of people live there and they have a Burns night on a day in January no one can remember AND they had a ctachy 1978 world cup song '

[El Salsero Gringo]

Originally Posted by Gus

Fair point. How about getting this thread back on track.

But I still want to know about the track-record of my faith. I think we should be told.

Originally Posted by Gus

How about relocating all immigrants to Scotland? There's lots of room, not many people living there (well, no one that matters) and we ALL know that they need some serious help with their cricket team?

How about relocating the Welsh to Scotland instead? That would make much more sense to me.

[Baruch]

Originally Posted by El Salsero Gringo

But I still want to know about the track-record of my faith. I think we should be told.How about relocating the Welsh to Scotland instead? That would make much more sense to me.

Only if we can also relocate the English to the Sahara

Anyway, parts of southern Scotland are historically Welsh. It's a fact. The earliest extant Welsh literature was written about an army from Edinburgh attacking Catterick in Yorkshire, at a time when the Edinburgh population was Welsh-speaking. So we've already been there, done that.

(Come to think of it, the same could be said of much of what is now England as well.)