Should you challenge?

[Andy McGregor]

Originally Posted by Ghost

I'm sorry but it so looks like it was written by a seven year old writing their address - all that's missing is "The Universe"

I remember chatting with Adam Nathanson about this. He did it because there was a UK Blues Championship (or some such name) at Beach Boogie on the Isle of Wight. His reasoning was that, if they can give a national prize at a dance holiday he can give a world prize. I suppose that anybody in the world could have entered.

[Sheepman]

Originally Posted by Gus

Go on ... name the ones you think are World Champion ...

I could name 3 forumites who've held this title for a start, but maybe that would be naming & shaming?

Greg

[Gus]

Originally Posted by Sheepman

I could name 3 forumites who've held this title for a start, but maybe that would be naming & shaming?

Greg

I'm intrigued. Technically speaking (per Olympic style rules) you can only hold a World Championship of you have a single World organisation. Technically you could hold a World Ceroc Championship if Ceroc UK, Ceorc Aussies, Ceroc & MJ Aussie and Cer4oc NZ came to an agreement. No chance of holding a world MJ competition ... we can't even hold a unified UK MJ Competition.


So .... name the three and less us all give praise

[MartinHarper]

Originally Posted by Andy McGregor

He did it because there was a UK Blues Championship (or some such name) at Beach Boogie on the Isle of Wight.

I thought it was a "National Blues Championship". Because the Isle of Wight is actually a seperate nation...

[Gus]

Originally Posted by MartinHarper

I thought it was a "National Blues Championship". Because the Isle of Wight is actually a seperate nation...

So as Australia is part of the British Empire then the Ceroc Aussie Champs are actually only a Regional competition?

[Lou]

Originally Posted by Ghost

I'm sorry but it so looks like it was written by a seven year old writing their address - all that's missing is "The Universe"

Like Andy says, you need to put it in its historical context to understand the humour.

[Andy McGregor]

Originally Posted by Gus

I'm intrigued. Technically speaking (per Olympic style rules) you can only hold a World Championship of you have a single World organisation.

This is rubbish. There is not a single world organisation for boxing but boxing is in the Olympics.

[Gus]

Originally Posted by Andy McGregor

This is rubbish. There is not a single world organisation for boxing but boxing is in the Olympics.

Strong words ... my belief was based on the problems Taekwando had to get recognised and the ongoing problems for Karate. The following statement may hekp to illustrate
"There is good reason to believe it was this division that led to the long and bitter rivalry between the World Union of Karate-do Organizations (WUKO) and the now-defunct International Amateur Karate Federation (IAKF) for International Olympic Committee (IOC) recognition as the international governing body for amateur karate and the right to oversee all karate competitions at future Olympic Games."

The key aspect is AMATEUR. I know there are three or so professional boxing bodies .... but its all down to the IOC recognising a single amateur body. Boxing as admitted in the early 1900s so maybe this rule wasn't in place ... but without a single body how would you agree who goes through and what criteria? Seems fairly sensible. If I'm wrong, I apologise ... if I'm not I'm sure will apologise young Andy?

[Andy McGregor]

Originally Posted by Gus

Strong words ... my belief was based on the problems Taekwando had to get recognised and the ongoing problems for Karate. The following statement may hekp to illustrate
"There is good reason to believe it was this division that led to the long and bitter rivalry between the World Union of Karate-do Organizations (WUKO) and the now-defunct International Amateur Karate Federation (IAKF) for International Olympic Committee (IOC) recognition as the international governing body for amateur karate and the right to oversee all karate competitions at future Olympic Games."

Gus is arguing from the particular to the general. He has used a single observation to imply a general rule. It is simple to prove that a general rule does not apply - it only takes a single observation to the contrary to prove that assumption of a general rule is incorrect.

All the Olympic Committee did for Taekwondo was choose a single organisation from those claiming to represent Taekwondo. They chose the World Taekwondo Federation. The other organisations within Taekwondo didn't cease to exist, they just had nothing to do with the Taekwondo at the Olympics.

I have no idea about the politics of Karate or the reasons the Olympic Committee have not selected a world organisation to represent Karate. Perhaps there's some behind the scenes politics.

Originally Posted by Gus

The key aspect is AMATEUR. I know there are three or so professional boxing bodies .... but its all down to the IOC recognising a single amateur body.

This is exactly what I said above. They just need to recognise a single amateur body. There could be more than one body. All they Olympic committee need to do is choose one of them.

This is very different from what Gus originally said:

Originally Posted by Gus

Technically speaking (per Olympic style rules) you can only hold a World Championship of you have a single World organisation.

You do not need to have "a single world organisation" if the Taekwondo example is correct. You just need to choose one from the many.

Originally Posted by Gus

If I'm wrong, I apologise ... if I'm not I'm sure will apologise young Andy?

It seems that you are wrong Gus. However, there is no apology required. Were debating ideas and assumptions, not calling each other names or lookin' at each other's birds

[Dance Demon]

Originally Posted by Andy McGregor

This is rubbish. There is not a single world organisation for boxing but boxing is in the Olympics.

Erm...yes there is. Boxing in the Olympics is at amateur level, and is under the Rules of AIBA, which is the International Amateur Boxing Association. At professional level there are currently four boxing organisations, namely the WBA, WBC, IBF, and the WBO. None of these has any jurisdiction over the olympics.

[Andy McGregor]

Originally Posted by Dance Demon

Erm...yes there is. Boxing in the Olympics is at amateur level, and is under the Rules of AIBA, which is the International Amateur Boxing Association. At professional level there are currently four boxing organisations, namely the WBA, WBC, IBF, and the WBO. None of these has any jurisdiction over the olympics.

This is probably true. However, I know it isn't the case for Taekwondo. There are at least two international organisations representing Taekwondo. I know of the *** and the ITF. I used to be a member of the ITF which, I remember, had a longer walking stance than the ***. I think there were other organisations that claimed to also represent Taekwondo. All the Olympic Committee did was select one of them. I expect it was made easy for them as Taekwondo was the exhibition sport when the Olympics were in Korea - *** is the Taekwondo organisation that is run by the Korean government.

edit for some reason W T F has been asterisked. It stands for World Taekwondo Federation

[David Bailey]

Originally Posted by Andy McGregor

edit for some reason W T F has been asterisked. It stands for World Taekwondo Federation

Also stands for "What The F***" - I think the auto-censor also dislikes F F S, for similar reasons.

[Andy McGregor]

Originally Posted by DavidJames

Also stands for "What The F***" - I think the auto-censor also dislikes F F S, for similar reasons.

It's the nanny state gone mad. I'm sure you can get a three word insult from any organisations abbreviation if you put your mind to it.

[ducasi]

Originally Posted by Andy McGregor

It's the nanny state gone mad. I'm sure you can get a three word insult from any organisations abbreviation if you put your mind to it.

Some three-letter organisations are insults already.

[Astro]

Dear DJ

Thanks for the tip off.

I am now being boffed by Brad because Angelina is always exhausted.

Keep it up.

Cheers

Astro (size 8)

[David Bailey]

There was a point to this thread at some time, wasn't there?

[Isis]

Originally Posted by DavidJames

There was a point to this thread at some time, wasn't there?

Don't be silly

[Andy McGregor]

Originally Posted by DavidJames

There was a point to this thread at some time, wasn't there?

All treads end up like this. I think it's called convergent evolution or something