Should you challenge?

**Martin** · 17th-November-2007, 02:04 PM

If a person posts on the forum, and claims to have done, or not to have done certain things... Claims to have danced for x years, claims to be an expert in x dance.

Should you challenge on an open forum?

Is it destructive to challenge?

Or should people who know the history of this person and the truth, say so?

It seems the challengers get the raw deal and the flack.

Maybe the person who made the incorrect claim should get the flack?

Ghost · 17th-November-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

If a person posts on the forum, and claims to have done, or not to have done certain things... Claims to have danced for x years, claims to be an expert in x dance.

Should you challenge on an open forum?

<snip>

Or should people who know the history of this person and the truth, say so?

The obvious question is how do you prove it either way?

Could you prove that you've been dancing Ceroc for more than 4 months (ok your avatar might help a bit, but still Photoshop....) Could you be bothered to prove it?

*Andy McGregor* · 17th-November-2007, 02:25 PM

In my experience you are seen as the person who "threw the first stone" when you challenge what somebody has posted. In other words some people, mostly of small mind or with another agenda, will think you started the argument. In my opinion you are not the one who started the argument. The first stone was thrown when the original lie was posted.

Of course you do have the burden of proof if you are going to call someone "liar". And you run the risk of breaking the forum rules if you "name and shame".

**Martin** · 17th-November-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost

The obvious question is how do you prove it either way?

Could you prove that you've been dancing Ceroc for more than 4 months (ok your avatar might help a bit, but still Photoshop....) Could you be bothered to prove it?

I was thinking of people you personally know. Who make claims which are 100% untrue.

And yes I photoshop'ed Lily and janet onto my shoulders

[I wish, that would have been soooo much easier

]

Not about me though, about those who make claims, which are total fabrications of the truth.

Should we say it is not true, or sit and listen to the bending of the truth?

*Andy McGregor* · 17th-November-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

I was thinking of people you personally know. Who make claims which are 100% untrue.

And yes I photoshop'ed Lily and janet onto my shoulders

[I wish, that would have been soooo much easier

]

Could you get them onto my shoulders? You'll have to make my shoulders bigger though, I'm a bit of a weed in the shoulder area - more of a fabulously pert bottom kinda guy

Ghost · 17th-November-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

I was thinking of people you personally know. Who make claims which are 100% untrue.

Sure, but in the nicest possible way, why should I believe you just because you know them? Maybe you have a grudge against person X.

I have visions of it ending up like the "Proof of God" thread

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Originally Posted by Martin

And yes I photoshop'ed Lily and janet onto my shoulders

[I wish, that would have been soooo much easier

]

Next time get someone else to do it and post their pic as your avatar - it's not like 99% of the people on here are going to know.....

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Originally Posted by Martin

Should we say it is not true, or sit and listen to the bending of the truth?

I'd be more inclined if you could definitely prove it, to take it up with the Moderators and ask to have the post deleted.

**Martin** · 17th-November-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost

I'd be more inclined if you could definitely prove it, to take it up with the Moderators and ask to have the post deleted.

Franck - Ghosts do not exist... can you delete him for me?

Ghost · 17th-November-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Franck - Ghosts do not exist... can you delete him for me?

Prove it

**dave the scaffolder** · 17th-November-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy McGregor

I'm a bit of a weed in the shoulder area - more of a fabulously pert bottom kinda guy

Youre not wrong sexy man.

Arse like a Japanese whaler.

XXX XX DTS Dave

Connie · 17th-November-2007, 07:20 PM

why would people lie, and why are some of you so distroustful? I myself have had several comments and pm's suggesting i am either some sort of plant or prankster. Its not nice!

**Minnie M** · 17th-November-2007, 07:31 PM

There is one MJ teacher who professes to be dancing for over 20 years - however he started learning at the same time as me in 1994

but ......... so what .......... does it really matter, he is still a great teacher and dancer, don't understand why some have to exagerate (or maybe it seems like 20 years)

*Andy McGregor* · 17th-November-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Connie

why would people lie, and why are some of you so distroustful? I myself have had several comments and pm's suggesting i am either some sort of plant or prankster. Its not nice!

I could never have a crush on a plant - athough I have been called a "pansy"

The question about why people lie is difficult to understand if you are honest. However, there are still many unopposed lies peppering this forum. One of the reasons they are unopposed is the forum rule against "naming and shaming". If you expose a lie you can not do so without naming and shaming the liar.

And why do they lie? To gain your trust. To seem more intresting. To gain sexual favours. To swindle you of money. The list is never ending.

*Andy McGregor* · 17th-November-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Minnie M

There is one MJ teacher who professes to be dancing for over 20 years - however he started learning at the same time as me in 1994

but ......... so what .......... does it really matter, he is still a great teacher and dancer, don't understand why some have to exagerate (or maybe it seems like 20 years)

Phew! Can't be me. Minnie was there when I started Modern Jive in 1997. However, I went to my first dance class 20 years earlier when I was inspired by John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever - I even bought a white jacket

In a certain light I still look a bit like Mr Travolta*

*This is a lie, honest

MartinHarper · 17th-November-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy McGregor

One of the reasons they are unopposed is the forum rule against "naming and shaming". If you expose a lie you can not do so without naming and shaming the liar.

You cannot do so publically. However, you can report serious lies to the moderators.

**Minnie M** · 17th-November-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy McGregor

..........In a certain light I still look a bit like Mr Travolta*

.........

So true .........when I saw you in that white suit - I did a double take

*Andy McGregor* · 17th-November-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Minnie M

So true .........when I saw you in that white suit - I did a double take

Ahh, that was my white Naval Officer suit. No wonder you did a double-take. I look very much like Richard Gear - just a bit younger and taller

**Martin** · 17th-November-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy McGregor

Phew! Can't be me.

Not me either, but I know who you mean Minnie M ......

Forgotten the name.... who was it???

**Minnie M** · 17th-November-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Not me either, but I know who you mean Minnie M ......

Forgotten the name.... who was it???

I'll PM you Martin

**Martin** · 17th-November-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Minnie M

I'll PM you Martin

No need... I was teasing... I am fully aware who you mean

17th-November-2007, 02:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Martin Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 1,996 Status: No Status Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 385	Should you challenge? If a person posts on the forum, and claims to have done, or not to have done certain things... Claims to have danced for x years, claims to be an expert in x dance. Should you challenge on an open forum? Is it destructive to challenge? Or should people who know the history of this person and the truth, say so? It seems the challengers get the raw deal and the flack. Maybe the person who made the incorrect claim should get the flack?

17th-November-2007, 02:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Andy McGregor Commercial Operator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sussex by the Sea Posts: 7,305 Status: Very, very annoying. Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 1618	Re: Should you challenge? In my experience you are seen as the person who "threw the first stone" when you challenge what somebody has posted. In other words some people, mostly of small mind or with another agenda, will think you started the argument. In my opinion you are not the one who started the argument. The first stone was thrown when the original lie was posted. Of course you do have the burden of proof if you are going to call someone "liar". And you run the risk of breaking the forum rules if you "name and shame". __________________ “Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius-and a lot of courage-to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein

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Connie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sutton, Surrey Posts: 349 Status: No Status Rep Power: 1 Rep.: 180	Re: Should you challenge? why would people lie, and why are some of you so distroustful? I myself have had several comments and pm's suggesting i am either some sort of plant or prankster. Its not nice!

17th-November-2007, 07:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
Minnie M Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hove Actually Posts: 6,771 Status: Lynda is so looking forward to Utopia Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 2016	Re: Should you challenge? There is one MJ teacher who professes to be dancing for over 20 years - however he started learning at the same time as me in 1994 but ......... so what .......... does it really matter, he is still a great teacher and dancer, don't understand why some have to exagerate (or maybe it seems like 20 years) __________________ --ooOoo-- Age is a question of mind over matter, if you don't mind, it doesn't matter Leroy (Satchel) Paige (1906-1982) Mickey Mouse's girlfriend, Minnie, made her film debut, along with Mickey, in "Steamboat Willie" on November 18, 1928. That date is recognized as her official birthday.

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