Is Norton taking over

**Martin** · 27th-September-2007, 05:36 AM

I went to buy a new laptop today... all the ones in the store had Norton installed "on a 30 day trial" I asked if they had any without Norton (as it slows down the computer and is REAL hard to totally delete).

The salesman said "no" but I could go to a web site and blah blah blah...

Just looking for a notebook / laptop , light and compact computer that can take my music (120G) plus the rest.
Pref a 250G one

So is norton infecting the new computers out there?

Do Norton have a contract with HP and the rest to get thier software out there?

**Beowulf** · 27th-September-2007, 10:01 AM

I remember whn Norton used to be good. Norton Utilities was the BEE'S KNEE's when it came to utility programs.

But nowadays Norton is pants.. not nice pants but smelly worn for a week by a big sweaty guy called Norman and been lying at the foot of the bed unwashed for a futher week Pants!

I got a 2nd hand PC from a collegue for my Dad a while back .. it had Norton installed on it. I threw the disks out the window and formatted the Hard drive (had other junk on it too)

Ripley: "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. "

When you've done that install McAfee..

**Dreadful Scathe** · 27th-September-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin

I went to buy a new laptop today... all the ones in the store had Norton installed "on a 30 day trial" I asked if they had any without Norton (as it slows down the computer and is REAL hard to totally delete).

The salesman said "no" but I could go to a web site and blah blah blah...

Just looking for a notebook / laptop , light and compact computer that can take my music (120G) plus the rest.
Pref a 250G one

So is norton infecting the new computers out there?

Do Norton have a contract with HP and the rest to get thier software out there?

yup - i think they are in tight with a lot of PC manufacturers. Norton software is no better than a virus. Could always buy a Dell with ubuntu installed - or just erase the laptop you do have and install ubuntu yourself. Apart from games, which tend not to perform well on all but the most expensive laptops anyway - there is no big drawback with linux nowadays.

**drathzel** · 27th-September-2007, 10:38 AM

you could get a Mac!

**Beowulf** · 27th-September-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by drathzel

you could get a Mac!

I'll buy a mac when I want to infect an invading alien armada with a ship defence disrupting virus. Until then.. I'm good with a PC thanks !!

(That Mac brainwashing is really potent isn't it?)

Keefy · 27th-September-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin

So is norton infecting the new computers out there?

Infecting is probably the right word! I've never been able to tell the difference between Norton Security and a sustained DoS attack

**Lynn** · 27th-September-2007, 12:36 PM

Yeah, he's always on something or other on BBC 1.

Oh, not that Norton.

**Dreadful Scathe** · 27th-September-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn

Yeah, he's always on something or other on BBC 1.

Oh, not that Norton.

no the software is actualy much LESS annoying

**Beowulf** · 27th-September-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn

Yeah, he's always on something or other on BBC 1.

Oh, not that Norton.

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Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe

no the software is actually much LESS annoying

I'd like to use the same solution to THAT Norton as well as the other...

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Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

Ripley: "I say we take off and nuke the entire STUDIO from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. "

be a lot easier to get rid off than Norton Symantec .. after all all you need is a good quicklime solution to dissolve the flesh and a large hammer / grind stone to pulverise the bones...

.. sorry am thinking about those sods from BBC2 Scotland again !

**pmjd** · 27th-September-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

When you've done that install McAfee..

Your kidding

McAfee led me to have to spend 3 days trying to undo the effects it had on someone's email program and their ability to send and receive emails

especially as a reformat was not an option to get rid of it.

Norton is exceptionally bad these days, just seems to sit there and consume resources.

Martin maybe your best option would be to wipe the HDD and start again with the recovery disks, as it seems to be impossible to avoid Norton.

Haven't had to buy any antivirus software in a while (I'm saying nothing about being a mac user now

) but AVG's free antivirus seems to be fine (think I'll switch my parents to that after their McAfee licence runs out, this time I'll stop McAfee charging my Dad's credit card without warning

), or if you want to buy something that's good and doesn't hog any resources try NOD32

**Beowulf** · 27th-September-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pmjd

Your kidding

That's You're.. ooops wrong thread

No I like McAfee. I recommend all my friends, family and colleagues to use it.

It's easy to understand, makes sense and works well. It doesn't hog resources like Norton or some others and I never get false positives.

I have McAfee Internet Security Suite at home, AV, Firewall, Spam blocking , secure file delete, and identity management. and I've NEVER had a problem with it.

**Lynn** · 27th-September-2007, 01:44 PM

Question - I have Norton on my laptop at home. I have McAfee to install - how do I take Norton off and put McAfee on? Is it straightforward enough?

**Beowulf** · 27th-September-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn

Question - I have Norton on my laptop at home. I have McAfee to install - how do I take Norton off and put McAfee on? Is it straightforward enough?

Quite straightforward.

1. you must wait for the moons of Jupter to Align
2. With a thrice blessed silver sickle you must cut the power from the laptop with one stroke.
3. at all times let the light of the full moon shine upon the screen , should a shadow be cast upon it then a gateway to hell will open and demons will infest your hard drive.

Actually. It depends. You "SHOULD" be able to do add/remove programs and uninstall. But you'll find you may get "left overs" Personally when I did it I booted into safe mode, uninstalled it then deleted the folder and did a search through the registry to remove any stragglers ..

That SHOULDN'T be necessary for a well written program.

**pmjd** · 27th-September-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

Do Norton have a contract with HP and the rest to get thier software out there?

Well here's a list of Norton's OEM partners. It does seem to cover all the major system builders, except Acer. Maybe your best hope of getting a Norton free laptop would be to look at an Acer or a laptop from a smaller Australian company?

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Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

That's You're.. ooops wrong thread

one of those mornings.

However, are you sure you want to play this game

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Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

I remember whn Norton used to be good. Norton Utilities was the BEE'S KNEE's when it came to utility programs.

But nowadays Norton is pants.. not nice pants but smelly worn for a week by a big sweaty guy called Norman and been lying at the foot of the bed unwashed for a futher week Pants!

I got a 2nd hand PC from a collegue for my Dad a while back .. it had Norton installed on it. I threw the disks out the window and formatted the Hard drive (had other junk on it too)

3-0 on spelling or 1-1 draw on punctuation

**Martin** · 27th-September-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn

Question - I have Norton on my laptop at home. I have McAfee to install - how do I take Norton off and put McAfee on? Is it straightforward enough?

Well I paid for Norton 360 on my current computer (the one I have had for a few years), knowing that many years ago Norton was the best, but it was a disaster, hence my dislike of it...

I did an unistal, through windows, but have since been told it does not wipe it all clean, the guy in the shop said to go to the Norton website and download an uninstal program and then run it...
It just defies logic to download software from Norton to get rid of Norton

Hence I do not want to buy a new laptop with Norton on it! I did like one of the HP computers, and said to the shop guy I will buy it if you can ship me one without Norton on it. He said he could not do it... and I don't want to play around.... So I am investigating Dell...

I run AVG on my current computer and I am happy with that.

**Martin** · 27th-September-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pmjd

Well here's a list of Norton's OEM partners. It does seem to cover all the major system builders, except Acer. Maybe your best hope of getting a Norton free laptop would be to look at an Acer or a laptop from a smaller Australian company?

Wow, thanks for the link. Norton have done well, shame their product does not suit me.
I did look at Acer, but the HP was a nice black and the Acer was white

I wanted a cool black one

**Beowulf** · 27th-September-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pmjd

3-0 on spelling or 1-1 draw on punctuation

Curses... foiled again

**Lynn** · 27th-September-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf1970

Actually. It depends. You "SHOULD" be able to do add/remove programs and uninstall. But you'll find you may get "left overs" Personally when I did it I booted into safe mode, uninstalled it then deleted the folder and did a search through the registry to remove any stragglers ..

That SHOULDN'T be necessary for a well written program.

So what happens if I have 'left overs'? Will it affect how McAfee runs? Or any other software?

Ie, if I just do an uninstall, can I then just install McAfee?

**Martin** · 27th-September-2007, 02:33 PM

Had a result from Dell.

They are happy to supply without Norton, and it is a cool black one!!

Only thing is it is only 160 GB, was hoping for more, so I await their next reply.

Thing is I want it all - small and light, 14" only screen as I travel with it a lot., plus big hard drive.

27th-September-2007, 05:36 AM	#1 (permalink)
Martin Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 2,041 Status: No Status Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 418	Is Norton taking over I went to buy a new laptop today... all the ones in the store had Norton installed "on a 30 day trial" I asked if they had any without Norton (as it slows down the computer and is REAL hard to totally delete). The salesman said "no" but I could go to a web site and blah blah blah... Just looking for a notebook / laptop , light and compact computer that can take my music (120G) plus the rest. Pref a 250G one So is norton infecting the new computers out there? Do Norton have a contract with HP and the rest to get thier software out there?

27th-September-2007, 10:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
Beowulf Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London Posts: 7,261 Status: Needing another holiday !! Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 1861	Re: Is Norton taking over I remember whn Norton used to be good. Norton Utilities was the BEE'S KNEE's when it came to utility programs. But nowadays Norton is pants.. not nice pants but smelly worn for a week by a big sweaty guy called Norman and been lying at the foot of the bed unwashed for a futher week Pants! I got a 2nd hand PC from a collegue for my Dad a while back .. it had Norton installed on it. I threw the disks out the window and formatted the Hard drive (had other junk on it too) Ripley: "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. " When you've done that install McAfee.. __________________ "Makes a soft mint look hard" - Twirly

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drathzel Ceroc N.I. Franchise Owner Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bangor, Northern Ireland Posts: 7,929 Status: is pah Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 1358	Re: Is Norton taking over you could get a Mac! __________________ "A person's a person no matter how small" Horton hears a Who I made Lory hot!!!!

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Lynn Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belfast Posts: 8,052 Status: Looking forward to new challenges. Rep Power: 7 Rep.: 2636	Re: Is Norton taking over Yeah, he's always on something or other on BBC 1. Oh, not that Norton.

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Lynn Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Belfast Posts: 8,052 Status: Looking forward to new challenges. Rep Power: 7 Rep.: 2636	Re: Is Norton taking over Question - I have Norton on my laptop at home. I have McAfee to install - how do I take Norton off and put McAfee on? Is it straightforward enough?

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Martin Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 2,041 Status: No Status Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 418	Re: Is Norton taking over Had a result from Dell. They are happy to supply without Norton, and it is a cool black one!! Only thing is it is only 160 GB, was hoping for more, so I await their next reply. Thing is I want it all - small and light, 14" only screen as I travel with it a lot., plus big hard drive.

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