Multiple Seductions

[Stuart M]

I have a question for the ladies. I think I know Janet's answer to the important part of my question below already

If you're dancing with an experienced male dancer, do they have a tendency to throw seducers in at every break? Or always end records with them ?

Most importantly, is this boring ?

I'm asking because I've been throwing seducers in more frequently recently. I need the practice, otherwise I'll never be any good at them . But I don't want to be seen as doing too many, or lapsing into a "dance cliche" of finishing with one all the time...

The poll on dips/drops suggested they are moderately popular. Here, though, I'm trying to understand whether doing them in the middle of the music, without pauses, might be better than using them for a flourish. To me the latter seems more about showmanship than making sure your partner's enjoying herself...

Thoughts, anyone?

[Graham]

Gosh, Stuart, when I saw this thread I though you were going to be bragging about your exploits! Disappointingly. there's no scandal here .

For obvious reasons I can't address your question, although I'd be interested in the answers. But I am surprised you have to ask whether your partners are bored - can't you tell? Don't your partners always say what a fabulous dance they've had at the end of each track?

[Stuart M]

Originally posted by Graham
But I am surprised you have to ask whether your partners are bored - can't you tell?

Not sure what a bored woman looks like...

Originally posted by Graham
Don't your partners always say what a fabulous dance they've had at the end of each track?

Yes, they always do, Graham I know, it gets repetitive... However the overall unforgettable experience of a dance with me might disguise some minor irritations. Not many gals say things like "that was brill but couldn't you avoid flamencos in future?" etc. etc. :sorry

OK, I'll switch the irony off...

Seriously though, I think the Forum is a good way of getting constructive criticism. It's very difficult to say to someone during/after a dance "I think you should do this..." without it seeming negative. The Forum allows us all to address our points in a general way without anyone feeling like they're being picked on. I think I've learned a few home truths about my dancing since the Forum started...

[Franck]

Originally posted by Stuart M
If you're dancing with an experienced male dancer, do they have a tendency to throw seducers in at every break? Or always end records with them ?

Most importantly, is this boring ?

He he, interesting question.
Seducers are great to finish a dance or to mark a break in a record, and are used for 2 reasons:

• To impress your partner with your musical interpretation (this can back-fire if you do it every time and on the same beat / song.
• To impress people who are watching (seducers do look great when done well and at the right time...

Overall, whether it is boring or not, depends on the rapport you have established with your partner during the dance, if you have ignored her the whole time, then do not expect her to be impressed when you do a low seducer at the end of the track.
It also comes down to predictability, if the women know a seducer is coming (not because you lead it perfectly but because you always do one at this poing in the track), then it is probably boring (or possibly reassuringly familiar ). I have known women to throw themselves into a seducer at the end of a record eventhough, I had not lead or wanted to do one

What I would suggest is to build a collection of good ending / break moves, and change your pattern regularly...
Make sure of course you listen to the lyrics of the song (if you can't hear the music, your partner is probably singing them ) and match the moves to the words!

Franck.

P.S. Beware of seducers when you are very hot and sweaty , a dripping man leaning over you is not the most pleasant experience

[Tiggerbabe]

P.S. Beware of seducers when you are very hot and sweaty , a dripping man leaning over you is not the most pleasant experience

Hello, Hello - I'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a little puzzled as to how you would know the above Franck?

However, you are absolutely correct, especially if you can see the drip of sweat heading towards you and you can't move!

I love doing dips/drops etc but it does get a bit tedious when people are doing them just to show off and not because they go with the music. I danced with someone on Saturday at the V&L party and he led me into a seducer from a very, very fast double turn thingymebob. very impressive! I loved it - probably because he was a very good dancer and was very aware of where everyone was around us, secondly because it was executed very well and thirdly because it was a surprise

If a seducer has been taught in the class it can be a bit of a pain as all the guys want to practice. Sorry guys but much as I like them - 75 seducers in one freestyle session!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One final thing - I know it's been said before - but please, PLEASE watch what you are doing. I very nearly got a girl's head firmly planted in my face last week as the bloke she was dancing with THREW her into a dip and hadn't a bloomin' clue that there were other people on the dance floor.

Sorry:sorry nuff moanin'. If I can make it through to Glasgow I expect Franck to introduce us so I can be suitably impressed by your fantastic leading, musical interpretation and allround fab dancing ability.

[flashy]

I love being seduced any night of the week- don't care about sweat, style or anything! :sorry

[LilyB]

Originally posted by Stuart M

If you're dancing with an experienced male dancer, do they have a tendency to throw seducers in at every break? Or always end records with them ?

From my (rather biased, admittedly) point of view, if a man is an experienced dancer, then there is absolutely no need whatsoever for him to do any seducers/drops. He can sweep me off my feet (metaphorically speaking, that is) just by his stylish dancing, excellent leading and amazing moves. What more can a woman ask for?

A man who feels the need to do more than a single seducer/drop in one dance, particularly where the music does not call for it, is in my opinion sadly lacking in ideas or confidence (if he believes he is doing it merely to please the lady). Don't get me wrong - I do not object to doing seducers/drops with experienced men who know what they are doing. However I would much much rather be dancing during the 4-8 bars of music taken up every time a man leads me into a drop or seducer. Far from impressing me, a man who does too many drops/seducers (2 in one dance is too many) strikes me as someone who is lost for ideas and/or dance moves.

I hope that helps, Stuart. (Probably not, me thinks!)

[Stuart M]

Originally posted by LilyB
I hope that helps, Stuart. (Probably not, me thinks!)

Not at all, LilyB - you sound like my kind of dance partner! I think I'll stick to the following rules:

1. If I don't know the gal I'm dancing with, I'll ask her whether she minds dips/drops, and unless the response is an enthusiastic one, not do any.
2. If she says it's OK I'll limit it to one - probably not at the end of the record however because I can never get the timing right
3. If it's someone I know who really likes them, I'll venture a couple.
4. If it's Jayne, I'll chuck her around all over the place

Just kidding, Jayne...

[filthycute]

P.S. Beware of seducers when you are very hot and sweaty , a dripping man leaning over you is not the most pleasant experience

Oh and you forgot to add.....

"Beware of doing a dead mans drop whilst wearing a kilt" hahahahaha

Wait..i'm not talking from experience here......i heard it on a grapevine

filthycute x x

[Jayne]

Originally posted by Stuart M

4. If it's Jayne, I'll chuck her around all over the place

Just kidding, Jayne...

Why not? Franck does.... That's where all the bruises come from....

Jayne

[Franck]

Originally posted by Franck
P.S. Beware of seducers when you are very hot and sweaty , a dripping man leaning over you is not the most pleasant experience

Originally posted by Filthycute:

Oh and you forgot to add.....

"Beware of doing a dead mans drop whilst wearing a kilt" hahahahaha

Wait..i'm not talking from experience here......i heard it on a grapevine

Originally posted by Jayne:

Why not? Franck does.... That's where all the bruises come from....

Ok, whatÕs this all about, kick Franck while he is down and cannot respond!?

Sheena, I was of course empathizing, I have no personal experience of being dripped upon, but I might have dripped over some un-suspecting (and unlucky) ladies :sorry

Filthycute, enough of your day-dreaming and, ouch!, let go of that grapevine.

Jayne, I do not know what you mean, I always dance with you and treat you like the delicate butterfly you assure me you are...

Seriously, though, this thread implies that a lot of women are not that partial to seducers... This seems to go against the poll posted a few weeks ago, where most women voted for drops and seducers... Go figure

Franck.

[Sandy]

Originally posted by Stuart M
I have a question for the ladies. I think I know Janet's answer to the important part of my question below already

If you're dancing with an experienced male dancer, do they have a tendency to throw seducers in at every break? Or always end records with them ?

Most importantly, is this boring ?

Stuart

I love when an experienced male dancer throws a seducer. The signal has to be clear though cos what I thought was a signal (from a less experienced dancer) definitely wasn't and nearly resulted in a visit to the Casualty Dept of the ARI. But done properly they are great fun.

Cheers

Sandra

[Franck]

Originally posted by Sandy
The signal has to be clear though cos what I thought was a signal (from a less experienced dancer) definitely wasn't and nearly resulted in a visit to the Casualty Dept of the ARI. But done properly they are great fun.

I would like to emphasize the above
It is very important that the man signals and leads the move very clearly. I am a little ambivalent regarding signals as they can sometimes be very misleading (ie a man not aware he is signalling a drop !!!), I would much rather the drop / seducer was clearly lead, ie physically lowering your partner rather than expecting her to just drop in position.

From a womanÕs perspective, my advice (and I wish that were taught at all classes where dips / drops are demonstrated), is to never throw yourself into a drop / seducer, even if you are sure you saw the appropriate signal. Always wait for the man to take you down to the position. if the man does not lead properly, then you should not be doing the move with him anyway.
I have lost count of the number of times I have had to catch my partner at the last minute just because she thought a seducer was coming!!! This can result in serious injury (if the man does not stop you in time), and also for the man who strain his back catching you un-expectedly and un-prepared!
So ladies, better to miss the odd seducer than to hurt anyone...
By the way if the man turns to you and says Ò that was a seducer... you should have dropped back...Ó Let him know that his lead was not clear enough, and suggest he speaks to a teacher who will be able to help him and you.

I hope the above does not sound too serious (and it was not addressed at you Sandy), but I feel very strongly about safety when doing those moves.

Cheers,

Franck.

[Josie_D]

I adore doing drops and seducers, and the more and varied selection that my dancing partner can throw in to the dance, the wider my grin will be at the end.

From a lady's point of view, as Franck and others have mentioned, it is absolutely vital that they are signalled properly or an accident is bound to happen somewhere along the line. The one signal that no-one seems to have mentioned yet is probably the clearest and simplest to understand, especially if it is given by a partner with whom I dance regularly. By this, I mean a verbal warning that a drop is coming up.

This can be particularly useful in the case of moves such as the neckbreak drop - this is signalled and starts just the same as a neckbreak, but in order to achieve the drop at the end the lady has to make quarter of a turn more than she would if she were just doing a neckbreak. The only effective way of telling her to keep spinning that little bit more is to warn her before she starts, otherwise it is just confusion all round.

Despite the fact that I love drops so much, I will only do them with someone whom I know will do them well and correctly. There is one dancer whom I see occasionally where I dance and he is an absolute menace to all of womankind. His idea of a good drop is to have the lady's head virtually on the floor, her back over his knee somewhere and both of her feet up in the air at waist height or even higher.

I am terrified of what might happen to me if I were to end up dancing with him, so now I head rapidly in the opposite direction when I see him coming to save us both from the embarrasment of me refusing to dance with him. I am sure that he wouldn't recognise that description of himself, but anyone who has ever seen him dance will know who I mean!

Josie_D

[Tiggerbabe]

Originally posted by Josie_D
There is one dancer whom I see occasionally where I dance and he is an absolute menace to all of womankind. His idea of a good drop is to have the lady's head virtually on the floor, her back over his knee somewhere and both of her feet up in the air at waist height or even higher.

I am sure that he wouldn't recognise that description of himself, but anyone who has ever seen him dance will know who I mean!

Josie_D

The funny thing is I thought "Yeh, I know this guy" but as you are in a totally different part of the country there must be two of them. Scary eh?

[Gus]

The funny thing is I thought "Yeh, I know this guy" but as you are in a totally different part of the country there must be two of them. Scary eh?

Hate to say it, but I think such 'drop monsters' seem to be an obligatory feature of most clubs.

I'm sure that there is a law of nature that all clubs have an allocation of at least one of these .. along with; at least one guy who knows every move going but has no sense of rhythm, one girl who leads and another who demands to dance to all the really fast tracks when the guys are shattered.

Think they should be forced to wear warning T shirts or be branded with other types of warning branding. What do you think Frank?

[filthycute]

Originally posted by Gus
one girl who leads and another who demands to dance to all the really fast tracks when the guys are shattered.
Think they should be forced to wear warning T shirts or be branded with other types of warning branding. What do you think Frank?

Ok so how do you know this information??.....who's been taking 'bout me???? Seriously though, i don't think i try to lead, but i do tend to go in a world of my own and want to do moves that i think fit nice with the dance.....through no fault of my own of course I mean there's not many guys out there that are good at musical interpretation and i just get frustrated as for dancing to all the fast tracks....well i can't help it if i'm just sooo full of beans! Maybe the men just have to make more of an effort to keep up
And warning signs???.....well my hair says it all

filthycute x x