Taking the follow's leg out

MartinHarper · 6th-January-2007, 12:30 PM

Resaw this recently: "This has the lead taking the follow's leg out from under her (in a kind and respectful way)".

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...64647974360665

Has anyone tried this kind of thing in MJ (or for followers, had this kind of thing tried on them)? Is it any good? Is it too disconcerting for social dance?

LMC · 6th-January-2007, 12:37 PM

Yes - but in a tango-y kind of way where the lead slides the follower's foot along the floor, rather than lifting it. Franck is a master (of course).

If it's a less experienced lead who is not aware of your balance, or there's something wrong with the connection it can be a wee bit disconcerting! But if the connection and lead are good, then it feels luvverly

CJ · 6th-January-2007, 01:18 PM

Is this not what Foxylady called "The Scottish Move"??

There are all sorts of options available: L leg, R leg, facing in closed 1st move, from behind in a sway type position (albeit, lady in front and not at the side).

I can't do WCS, but it is still very leadable in MJ. (even with tackety boots!!

)

Blueshoes · 6th-January-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinHarper

Has anyone tried this kind of thing in MJ Is it any good? Is it too disconcerting for social dance?

I use this move as part of my repertoire and it generally goes down very well. The trick is to bring the lady into a blues hold, rocking from foot to foot. When all the weight is on your left foot (and the ladies right) you can use your right foot to flick the ladies left out to the side, then slide your left foot back to meet it.

It's an unusual move but can be lead easily and works well, even with beginners, just as long as you've got the weight distribution and balance right. Give it a go

!

**under par** · 6th-January-2007, 03:02 PM

I went to a focus work shop in Stirling on the Sunday of the Scottish Champs last year where Franck and Sheena taught this exact same move as well as many others involving feet and foot contact, possibly the funniest workshop I have ever been to

and loads of excellent things to play about with.

Whens the video/DVD coming out Franck you'll make a packet.

**David Bailey** · 6th-January-2007, 07:54 PM

There are some similarities in terms of weight transfer, but it's not really a tango sweep (barrida) from what I can tell, as the feet go off the floor.

Also, barridas are usually more gentle - the idea is that the leaders and followers feet just happen to move together, there's no real "pushing" involved even though it's called a "sweep".

Having said that, I've been working on a "flick" type of move as an entrance to a boleo, but that's probably Against The Rules Of God and Man in tango terms

MartinHarper · 7th-January-2007, 12:33 AM

So far it seems easier to take the follow's left leg out than her right leg.
Also, it seems that it's something to avoid with strappy sandals.

**Cruella** · 7th-January-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ceroc Jock

Is this not what Foxylady called "The Scottish Move"??

I don't know about FL but i definately call it the 'Scottish' move. Dave H did it to me originally, i then noticed that alot of the scotsmen used it. It is more of a slide than the one on the video though, that lifts the ladies foot whereas the 'Scottish' move tends to slide it along the floor. It's very easy to lead (even i have managed to do it), one of my favourite moves as a follower.

**David Bailey** · 7th-January-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruella

I don't know about FL but i definately call it the 'Scottish' move. Dave H did it to me originally, i then noticed that alot of the scotsmen used it. It is more of a slide than the one on the video though, that lifts the ladies foot whereas the 'Scottish' move tends to slide it along the floor. It's very easy to lead (even i have managed to do it), one of my favourite moves as a follower.

The Scottish move is, I believe, more like a standard Tango barrida-into-sandwich move. It's quite nice as it works as a good entry point for AT moves from MJ.

**Cruella** · 7th-January-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJames

The Scottish move is, I believe, more like a standard Tango barrida-into-sandwich move. It's .

Don't try to confuse me with technical Tango talk!

**David Bailey** · 7th-January-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruella

Don't try to confuse me with technical Tango talk!

Sorry, I'm turning into a Jargon Machine...

"Barrida" = "sweep" (i.e. sweeping partner's leg)
"Sandwich" = "foot is sandwiched between partner's feet."

David Franklin · 7th-January-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJames

"Barrida" = "sweep" (i.e. sweeping partner's leg)
"Sandwich" = "foot is sandwiched between partner's feet."

Don't listen to him.

"Barrida" = "a professional who is highly skilled in coffee preparation, with a comprehensive understanding of coffee, coffee blends, espresso, quality, coffee varieties, roast degree, espresso equipment, maintenance, latte art" (Argentine variant pronunciation)
"sandwich" = "snack made of two pieces of bread surrounding a filling; many afficiandos consider a good sandwich to be the perfect accompaniment to Barrida prepared coffee".

[No, of course I don't think some people take Tango too seriously...

]

MartinHarper · 7th-January-2007, 10:00 PM

Well I've had enough women expressing a preference against that I'll file this one under "not yet".

**Lou** · 8th-January-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinHarper

Well I've had enough women expressing a preference against that I'll file this one under "not yet".

Just an idea but Dave (the Dave who was DJing at Worcs the last time I went, as opposed to any of the other multitude of Daves), actually does something similar in freestyle at Coppertops. If you tried it on some of his partners, at least they'd not be too surprised.

**David Bailey** · 8th-January-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinHarper

Well I've had enough women expressing a preference against that I'll file this one under "not yet".

Interesting - why don't they like it?

I suspect if it's done "fast and furious", then it's a bit disconcerting. But if it's a slow slide, it shouldn't be a bother, should it?

MartinHarper · 8th-January-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJames

Why don't they like it?

Don't ask me to understand the female mind. I suspect a lack of skill on the leader's part, though.

TheTramp · 8th-January-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidJames

Interesting - why don't they like it?

I suspect if it's done "fast and furious", then it's a bit disconcerting. But if it's a slow slide, it shouldn't be a bother, should it?

I seem to do this move quite a lot at the moment, and no-one has ever complained to me....

Genie · 8th-January-2007, 10:44 AM

I sometimes have a problem with this move, involving bruises on my ankle

I think some men don't realise they don't have to kick my leg out from under me with that much force and hard shoes.

I dont like this move, or many of its variations.

**David Bailey** · 8th-January-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Genie

I sometimes have a problem with this move, involving bruises on my ankle

I think some men don't realise they don't have to kick my leg out from under me with that much force and hard shoes.

Presumably, it's the speed and force which is a problem, rather than the move itself? If someone were to gently nudge your leg, you wouldn't mind?

TurboTomato · 8th-January-2007, 11:01 AM

I remember doing a move like this (I think) in an intermediate class not too long ago - not an easy thing to put into freestyle and as Genie says quite a lot of leaders didn't seem to realise it was a sweep of the leg (once in contact with the leg), not a kick! It's not something I've ever really tried since

6th-January-2007, 12:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
MartinHarper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Worcester, UK Posts: 4,113 Status: No Status Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 1848	Taking the follow's leg out Resaw this recently: "This has the lead taking the follow's leg out from under her (in a kind and respectful way)". http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...64647974360665 Has anyone tried this kind of thing in MJ (or for followers, had this kind of thing tried on them)? Is it any good? Is it too disconcerting for social dance?

6th-January-2007, 12:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
LMC Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In the corner Posts: 4,508 Status: No Status Rep Power: 4 Rep.: 2319	Re: Taking the follow's leg out Yes - but in a tango-y kind of way where the lead slides the follower's foot along the floor, rather than lifting it. Franck is a master (of course). If it's a less experienced lead who is not aware of your balance, or there's something wrong with the connection it can be a wee bit disconcerting! But if the connection and lead are good, then it feels luvverly

6th-January-2007, 01:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
CJ Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Fife. Posts: 5,034 Status: No Status Rep Power: 6 Rep.: 1739	Re: Taking the follow's leg out Is this not what Foxylady called "The Scottish Move"?? There are all sorts of options available: L leg, R leg, facing in closed 1st move, from behind in a sway type position (albeit, lady in front and not at the side). I can't do WCS, but it is still very leadable in MJ. (even with tackety boots!! ) __________________ Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. www.readitandweep.net Risk more than others think safe; dream more than others think practical; care more than others think wise; desire more than others think possible.. ... then the Universe is yours.

6th-January-2007, 03:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
under par Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Worthing Posts: 5,958 Status: No Status Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 2418	Re: Taking the follow's leg out I went to a focus work shop in Stirling on the Sunday of the Scottish Champs last year where Franck and Sheena taught this exact same move as well as many others involving feet and foot contact, possibly the funniest workshop I have ever been to and loads of excellent things to play about with. Whens the video/DVD coming out Franck you'll make a packet.

6th-January-2007, 07:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
David Bailey Formerly known as DavidJames Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norf Lundin Posts: 14,245 Status: Yes Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 8 Rep.: 3826	Re: Taking the follow's leg out There are some similarities in terms of weight transfer, but it's not really a tango sweep (barrida) from what I can tell, as the feet go off the floor. Also, barridas are usually more gentle - the idea is that the leaders and followers feet just happen to move together, there's no real "pushing" involved even though it's called a "sweep". Having said that, I've been working on a "flick" type of move as an entrance to a boleo, but that's probably Against The Rules Of God and Man in tango terms

7th-January-2007, 12:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
MartinHarper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Worcester, UK Posts: 4,113 Status: No Status Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 1848	Re: Taking the follow's leg out So far it seems easier to take the follow's left leg out than her right leg. Also, it seems that it's something to avoid with strappy sandals.

7th-January-2007, 10:00 PM	#13 (permalink)
MartinHarper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Worcester, UK Posts: 4,113 Status: No Status Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 1848	Re: Taking the follow's leg out Well I've had enough women expressing a preference against that I'll file this one under "not yet".

8th-January-2007, 10:44 AM	#18 (permalink)
Genie Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 667 Status: No Status Rep Power: 2 Rep.: 182	Re: Taking the follow's leg out I sometimes have a problem with this move, involving bruises on my ankle I think some men don't realise they don't have to kick my leg out from under me with that much force and hard shoes. I dont like this move, or many of its variations.

8th-January-2007, 11:01 AM	#20 (permalink)
TurboTomato Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tunbridge Wells, Kent Posts: 1,028 Status: No Status Rep Power: 1 Rep.: 139	Re: Taking the follow's leg out I remember doing a move like this (I think) in an intermediate class not too long ago - not an easy thing to put into freestyle and as Genie says quite a lot of leaders didn't seem to realise it was a sweep of the leg (once in contact with the leg), not a kick! It's not something I've ever really tried since

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