Ceroc style vs technique vs moves

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by Jive Brummie
You're so predictable........

I know. It just gets boring after a while eh!

Steve

[Glasgow Jane]

Originally posted by michael
After a mere seven months doing ceroc i am becoming bored, restless and irritated all at once.

Wow! I've been inspired to write my first ever post! Michael, Sweetheart, where is all this angst coming from? Can it really be you? How can you possibly be bored?

Why cant ceroc incorporate more salso, tango, hip hop and west coast aspects into existing ceroc moves. Why not incorporate anything that brings style and movement that would enhance modern jive and make it more interesting and exciting!!![

Style and movement come from the pelvis, babe! Not from any particular dance style...

it would certainly stop us guys that get fed up with the same boring moves to seek out new ones WHEN WE WANT TO and then go to the classes and monthly dances in a positive and exciting mood or whatever.

Then don't do the same boring moves! Take issue with some of the hundreds (dare I say thousands? No, probably not) of moves already available to you (7 months, once a week, four intermediate moves per week, that's about 120 moves). You don't need fantastically complicated moves to dance well, feel good or look good.

Some people are happy to do the same old moves for years on end, others are not.

Yes, the majority of men seem to be happy with the ten or so moves they're happy with...but it's better to dance those ten moves really well than thrash around looking for added stimulation from impossibly messy ones. I've been dancing for a year now and in my admittedly limited experience very few men ever dance new moves or bring out the ones we've just done in the class. There are exceptions, of course, and we love you, boys (you know who you are)

After a while some of us need access to more moves. Un-usual ones, standard ones we forget, simple ones we overlook, stylish ones we didnt know existed and really difficult ones to challange us.

Write them down! Practise them! If you see someone doing a great move, go and ask them to show you how! And don't forget it's the connection with your partner that really delivers the goods and makes it all feel good, look good and do your soul good... that's what rumour has it among the girls anyway

[Andy McGregor]

Originally posted by michael
After a while some of us need access to more moves. Un-usual ones, standard ones we forget, simple ones we overlook, stylish ones we didnt know existed and really difficult ones to challange us. SO WHY NOT GET THEM ALL ON VIDEO and look to the longer term benefits it may well bring to Ceroc.

Are they still doing 'moves' in Scotland?

Nowadays I just go for 'moving' and listen to what the music tells me to do - and it's rarely 'moves'

Seriously though, people go through phases - and one of them is the feeling that you don't know enough moves. I've found that I mostly do moves I've learnt in the last 6 months. Maybe I can't remember more than a certain number and the new ones bump the old ones out of my memory - if I could remember them I'd know loads of moves

[ChrisA]

Originally posted by Andy McGregor
Nowadays I just go for 'moving' and listen to what the music tells me to do - and it's rarely 'moves'

Unless it's a lindy (polka) track, in which case not only is it moves, it's skittles

Chris

[Andy McGregor]

Originally posted by ChrisA
Unless it's a lindy (polka) track, in which case not only is it moves, it's skittles

Chris

I go for either skittles or a domino affect. If you line people up right you can get them to bounce into other people to increase your score

[michael]

Thanks to all who replied when i mentioned i was bored after seven months. I even got a PM. Perhaps bored was not the correct word. Being content with what you see and what you want to do is important to me. perhaps i shall just have to purchase some videos.

Not quite more moves i need, rather a few moves I LIKE THE LOOK OF. More moves are no use to me if i dont like them!!!! and would probably forget them anyway. Therefore for me having a whole load of moves on video would appeal to me and i could select the few i like, see its easy and no need to wait a year to see the 120 or so moves in a class.

Obviously i could try doing the moves in the correct manner and doing them a hell of a lot better but that would bore me!!!! in fact it would bore a hell of a lot of people out there. No it is just the movements i see of going back and forwards doing common moves that just fails to inspire me. Each to their own i suppose and i get bored with that!!

I liked Amir when he came up to Edinburgh to do a workshop. I knew before i even saw him that i would like his style. Amir teaches you to DANCE i like that guy!!!! I liked Simon's moves in the web site simply because they involved moving left and right and in a circle as well as moving back and forward. I thought modern jive ceroc was a mixture of many different styles and not just moving back and forward. Must give myself a shake

working too damn hard just now. jesus is that the b....y time

[Chris]

Originally posted by michael
Not quite more moves i need, rather a few moves I LIKE THE LOOK OF. More moves are no use to me if i dont like them!!!! and would probably forget them anyway. Therefore for me having a whole load of moves on video would appeal to me and i could select the few i like, see its easy and no need to wait a year to see the 120 or so moves in a class.

I think a lot of dancers would echo your feelings. I certainly pick moves I like, then usually 'play' with them for months, finding different variations, ways of doing them or getting into them, things to add or take away. I'm not sure how I feel about videos - I like them mostly for revising or going over a move I've seen taught, or looking at the different ways it's taught. The ones that feature the more 'leadable' moves appeal to me personally just now, rather than ones that rely on the follower knowing her part - but if you are practicing with a partner at home, the opposite may appeal. (Have tried to distinguish these for what it's worth on my website.)

I liked Amir when he came up to Edinburgh to do a workshop. I knew before i even saw him that i would like his style. Amir teaches you to DANCE i like that guy!!!!

I also like that difference (learning to DANCE as opposed to learning more of the particular dance style). Amir's a full-time professional dancer though - I always love to pick his brains when I get the chance!

[Glasgow Jane]

Originally posted by michael
Obviously i could try doing the moves in the correct manner and doing them a hell of a lot better but that would bore me!!!! in fact it would bore a hell of a lot of people out there.

Eh? ...you're delirious now...

xx

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by Glasgow Jane
Eh? ...you're delirious now...

xx

Yeah. What Jane said....

So, lemmee just get this clear, cos I'm not sure that I can believe it.

What you're saying, is that you don't want to do the moves well, or with style??

Hmmm..... I suggest that you don't tell your partners that. Especially the 'do them well' bit when it comes to the dips and drops that you're so fond of. Oh. Too late.

Ah well. See you soon

Steve

[JamesGeary]

Originally posted by michael
After a mere seven months doing ceroc i am becoming bored, restless and irritated all at once.

I got bored senseless after dancing for 7 months and felt there was nothing really new to learnand almost quit.

Now after 9 years I feel there is so much to learn I don't know where to start and feel overwhelmed. Try videos especially. Instructinonal ones maybe have 10 moves on them, freestyle or competition videos usually have maybe 50-100 moves of them.

Forget the 'correct' manner. Its a simple blanket approach designed to provide no challenge for anyone. Most people who preach about the correct manner need to be exiled to some land where we keep small minded poeple so they can't bother the rest of us.

Make your own way. Experiment. I've seen students much better than their teacher where the teacher tries to teach the ability and talent out of them, usually with lines such as 'thats not ceroc'. Its just thats all the teacher knows and because of their limited experience is how it must be done. If you can lead something or do something, and it fits the music, use it.

[ChrisA]

Originally posted by JamesGeary
I got bored senseless after dancing for 7 months and felt there was nothing really new to learnand almost quit.

Now after 9 years I feel there is so much to learn

So what happened at 7 months, then?

Chris

[Jayne]

Originally posted by JamesGeary
try... team choreography

you sadistic b*****d!!!

j

[Stuart M]

Originally posted by JamesGeary
I got bored senseless after dancing for 7 months and felt there was nothing really new to learnand almost quit.

Now after 9 years I feel there is so much to learn I don't know where to start and feel overwhelmed.

I actually left my regular venue last night feeling a bit depressed - about the sheer number of things I'm still doing wrong after 4.5 years. And also about the volume of things which I haven't learnt at all yet!

Still, put me back in the learning frame of mind, nicely in time for some workshops at the weekend

[Jayne]

Originally posted by Stuart M
I actually left my regular venue last night feeling a bit depressed

Maybe the former is the cause of the latter?

J

[Stuart M]

Originally posted by Jayne
Maybe the former is the cause of the latter?

J

Well - it's not like there's a lot of options on a Wednesday night in Glasgow, if that's what you mean (see these Londoners and their availability of choice...:jealous: )! No, the GUU's fine and there are loads of excellent ladies to dance with - just one of those nights I was painfully aware of all the errors in my technique.

[Jive Brummie]

Originally posted by michael
Thanks to all who replied when i mentioned i was bored after seven months. I even got a PM. Perhaps bored was not the correct word. Being content with what you see and what you want to do is important to me. perhaps i shall just have to purchase some videos.

Not quite more moves i need, rather a few moves I LIKE THE LOOK OF. More moves are no use to me if i dont like them!!!! and would probably forget them anyway. Therefore for me having a whole load of moves on video would appeal to me and i could select the few i like, see its easy and no need to wait a year to see the 120 or so moves in a class.

Obviously i could try doing the moves in the correct manner and doing them a hell of a lot better but that would bore me!!!! in fact it would bore a hell of a lot of people out there. No it is just the movements i see of going back and forwards doing common moves that just fails to inspire me. Each to their own i suppose and i get bored with that!!

I liked Amir when he came up to Edinburgh to do a workshop. I knew before i even saw him that i would like his style. Amir teaches you to DANCE i like that guy!!!! I liked Simon's moves in the web site simply because they involved moving left and right and in a circle as well as moving back and forward. I thought modern jive ceroc was a mixture of many different styles and not just moving back and forward. Must give myself a shake

working too damn hard just now. jesus is that the b....y time

Sorry Michael, I'm struggling with your post again. I was at the Amir workshop aswell and as far as i can remember, he taught various moves and concepts using the tramline method........employed in Ceroc

I think if you went to any dance class, anywhere, and tried to put your own 'style' into the moves before you'd even learned the move in the first place, you'd rapidly fall flat on your ass. I hope this isn't sounding offensive in any way Michael, but I can't help but come back to the walk before you run thing.

To this day, FC and I still practise our beginners moves and it hasn't done us any harm, in fact, I'd say it had improved our dancing and has helped to encourage our own style to come out even more. It's easy to become sloppy and lazy in your technique, but with some repetition and practise i really, honestly, think it makes you a better overall dancer...............and the women love it

James......

p.s. finally, it's just been brought to my attention that by admitting that it doesn't interest you doing the moves in the correct manner that you may be compromising your partners safety............rather you than me old bean

[filthycute]

Originally posted by michael

Obviously i could try doing the moves in the correct manner and doing them a hell of a lot better but that would bore me!!!! in fact it would bore a hell of a lot of people out there.

I think this statement has to be the most damaging thing to ever come out of a mans gob. I'm sorry Michael but as a woman dancer reading this, it is a bit worrying. Looking at it from my point of view......

I love my dancing....go 2-3 times a week....have a fantastic partner to dance with....all the time!!! ......we've been practising really hard for the upcoming jive championships.......i spent weeks making outfits........we've got parents coming to watch.......paid out a lot of money to be able to compete at this event.......
Do you honestly think i'm going to get on the floor with someone who is openly admitting to (and from what i can make out, 'proud of') not learning how to dance the moves properly?????


NOT ON YER FECKIN' NELLY!!!!!!
Sorry hun, but i ain't risking being injured.

filthycute x x

[ChrisA]

Originally posted by Jive Brummie
I hope this isn't sounding offensive in any way Michael

Originally posted by filthycute
NOT ON YER FECKIN' NELLY!!!!!!

They do "good cop, bad cop" so beautifully, don't they???



Chris

[filthycute]

Originally posted by ChrisA
They do "good cop, bad cop" so beautifully, don't they???



Chris

wind your neck in cockney

[Jive Brummie]

Originally posted by filthycute
wind your neck in cockney

Now, now dear, let us embrace our southern counterparts