Jumps and Drops: Yay or Nay ?

[Tiggerbabe]

Come on Franck, spill the beans - why does this thread keep appearing in my "view new threads" thingy when there hasn't been anything new added to it?
I click on it expecting some words of wisdom ( or whatever! ) only to be let down yet again

How's the babysitting quest going? If you are coming through I wouldn't try doing thirteen spins if you're dancing with FC coz she's bound to get fed up waiting and will be off to the ladies to change her entire outfit

See you Friday,

[DavidB]

Originally posted by Sheena
why does this thread keep appearing in my "view new threads" thingy when there hasn't been anything new added to it?

It is when somebody votes. Took me ages to figure it out.

[Franck]

Originally posted by Sheena
Come on Franck, spill the beans - why does this thread keep appearing in my "view new threads" thingy when there hasn't been anything new added to it?
I click on it expecting some words of wisdom ( or whatever! ) only to be let down yet again

DavidB got it right, everytime someone votes on the poll, it counts as a new posting. I realise it might be frustrating on the odd occasion, so I suppose, everyone who votes, should also post a quick comment on why they voted that way, and share their tuppence...

Originally posted by Sheena
How's the babysitting quest going? If you are coming through I wouldn't try doing thirteen spins if you're dancing with FC coz she's bound to get fed up waiting and will be off to the ladies to change her entire outfit

See you Friday,

Well tricky so far, we have had a Chicken Pox epidemic over here, and Christopher my youngest is still pretty poorly. I am hoping he will be better by the end of the week, and will see if Grandma can help!

Franck.

[Curtain]

Didn't one of your other children have Chicken Pox not so long ago? Or was I dreaming? Hope he gets well soon, but I sincerely hope you didn't bring it to Aberdeen with you!!!

[Tiggerbabe]

Not dreaming curtain - just not paying attention to the date of Franck's post - I suspect someone just voted!!!!!!!!

[Bill]

Had my say on dips and drops before........but hey, why not repeat myself

I like seducers and SOME drops and tend not to do them with many women mainly because they may not know the move, they're new, they may not like it etc..but also ( and often mainly ) because as David says - it's potentially very dangerous.

I can't believe the way some men drop their partners or almost throw them around with a complete disregard for the safety of the woman or for other dancers :reallymad

Many of us do go into drops at the end of a song - if it's appropriate but I can feel myself tense when I see a man who's not been taught how to do a jump or drop properly attempt to get the woman to do the move. Thankfully some women will just refuse or pretend they didn't see or understand the signal but I htink if a teacher spotted someone doing this they really should have a word with the man.

Equally, as has been said before, some women throw themselves into drops ( whole thread about this one with major contributions from Gus ) which is equally dangerous.

Even if the teacher at a class telles both men and women to be careful, goes through the safety routine etc... there will be dancers who will just ignore this. What is also irritating for women ( I believe) is when some men disregard what the teacher says and tries to rush ahead - and ends up making a pig's ear of the routine in class and then blames the woman for getting it wrong !:reallymad

To the right kind of song and with sufficient space then some lifts ( I do a few mini-aerials we learned at Beach Boogie with Fran, Lisa and Laura on the odd occasion ) can be good fun but I always try to watch what's going on around me. Doesn't always work but the point of dancing is to have fun and try and intrerpret the music - not to throw some unsuspecting female around the room till she throws up.


So as they used to say on Hill St Blues............. ( ah..one of my favourite words )....be careful out there

[Curtain]

Originally posted by Sheena
Not dreaming curtain - just not paying attention to the date of Franck's post - I suspect someone just voted!!!!!!!!

Yes that would make a lot of sense. Seemed like a little bit of deja vu was setting in. I really must begin to read everything on a post before sticking my big foot in. That's twice now!!

[Graham]

Originally posted by Curtain

sticking my big foot in. That's twice now!!

I can't be bothered searching, but this seems a bit on the low side surely

[Stuart M]

Originally posted by Bill
Equally, as has been said before, some women throw themselves into drops ( whole thread about this one with major contributions from Gus ) which is equally dangerous.

Mairi taught a dip last night, and unfortunately one of the ladies I practiced with during the class was like that - flung herself backwards with abandon during the run-through.

Wish I'd remembered to tell her off - even during a class it's risky. Made mental note to avoid her anyway, in case she misinterpreted a signal of mine later on.

Most of the responsibility for safety should still reside with us gents, however - although Mairi taught some good avoidance strategies for the ladies last night which helps.

[Dreadful Scathe]

Heard a story recently of a woman who mistook a move as a pre-drop move and flung herself into one - her partner just managed to catch her and damaged his back in the process. And she's a taxi dancer now - presumably shes a bit more sensible

names ? i dunno guv, wasnt me

[Graham]

Originally posted by Stuart M

Wish I'd remembered to tell her off - even during a class it's risky. Made mental note to avoid her anyway, in case she misinterpreted a signal of mine later on.

I really think that you should say something in these circumstances - risk of injury should override the normal rules of ceroc etiquette.

[Lorna]

Originally posted by Graham
I really think that you should say something in these circumstances - risk of injury should override the normal rules of ceroc etiquette.

I completely agree, avoiding the woman in the future doesn't solve anything. The lady in question will keep doing it and next time it may result in an injury. If you feel embarrassed about approaching her you could always speak to the teacher who would then have a polite word.


In reply to the original thread, I personally love all kinds of lifts and drops as long as they are performed safely. I believe that as a teacher it is my responsibility to teach these moves well. I spend extra time with my demo preparing for most if not all eventualities. In a class I do stress the importance of safety with these types of moves, so much so that I'm sure the class are thinking, 'Oh No, not the long- winded safety talk again'.

These moves look great but should only be performed with someone that you feel confident with. A few weeks ago a guy tried to seduce me (yeah I should be so lucky) but I refused to go down, (goodness this gets worse - sorry). I simply did not feel safe and I explained, and that was that, we carried on and had a great dance.

There is also a time and place for moves such as these and may I stress : a busy dancefloor is NOT the place!

Lotsa love Lorna x-x

[Dreadful Scathe]

I tend to avoid doing dips and drops with people I dont know, but lately ive started asking people if they mind a drop or two - i once got a response of 'do anything you like to me' - erm..which was nice

I hope im generally safe when i do do drops.

[Bill]

Originally posted by Dreadful Scathe
I tend to avoid doing dips and drops with people I dont know, but lately ive started asking people if they mind a drop or two - i once got a response of 'do anything you like to me' - erm..which was nice

I hope im generally safe when i do do drops.

I'm sure you are DS !! ...........and I'll bet F. was delighted to hear that another woman told you you could do anything to her !!!:sorry

[Bill]

Originally posted by Lorna
In a class I do stress the importance of safety with these types of moves, so much so that I'm sure the class are thinking, 'Oh No, not the long- winded safety talk again'.

That's if everyone is actually listening to you Lorna
There are some men and women who think they know everything so just don't listen but as I said earlier they then get the moves wrong because they don't pay attention. Bad enogh on a normal move but even worse on any kind of seducer/drop/lift.

A few weeks ago a guy tried to seduce me (yeah I should be so lucky) but I refused to go down, (goodness this gets worse - sorryLotsa love Lorna x-x

Quote to talk again.

Heavens............ and you a quiet young woman --- with a young baby now ! Does Tim know about all this. Tut tut... young women these days................

[Lorna]

Originally posted by Bill
Quote to talk again.

Heavens............ and you a quiet young woman --- with a young baby now ! Does Tim know about all this. Tut tut... young women these days................

Well Bill, you taught me everything I know!

lotsa love Lorna x-x

[Stuart M]

Originally posted by Lorna
I completely agree, avoiding the woman in the future doesn't solve anything. The lady in question will keep doing it and next time it may result in an injury. If you feel embarrassed about approaching her you could always speak to the teacher who would then have a polite word.

Well, it was a lesson learned - I'll be quicker to criticise in future where dips are concerned. Unfortunately I can't remember any distinguishing features about the lady - she wasn't a Glasgow regular.
In her (and my) defense it was at the start of teaching the dip, so maybe she got it right later. And I would have said something if it happened during freestyle (though as I'd never try a dip unless it was someone I knew fairly well, this ain't likely!)

[Bill]

Originally posted by Lorna
Well Bill, you taught me everything I know!

lotsa love Lorna x-x

So that must be why I can't remember anything then !!!!!!

One move won't get you very far

[Lorna]

Originally posted by Bill
So that must be why I can't remember anything then !!!!!!

One move won't get you very far

Mmmm...... don't quite get what you mean. Are you being a little cheeky? Surely not!!

Anyway, I am currently being distracted by my child. You remember the 'gorgeous wee tootie' I was referring to earlier? Well she's just pooed all over her towel. Lovely!

You are coming tonight, yeah? (to demo for me, you marvellous specimen of a man).

lotsa love lorna x-x

[Bill]

Originally posted by Lorna
? Well she's just pooed all over her towel. Lovely!

You are coming tonight, yeah? (to demo for me, you marvellous specimen of a man).

lotsa love lorna x-x

emmm.......thanks for the info Lorna. Sure everyone here will be delighted to know your daughters bowels are functioning properly

I'll try to keep that from my mind when we're on stage tonight