Moves that are harder in a class

**DavidB** · 4th-December-2002, 03:42 PM

Is it just me, or is a return difficult in a class. I always feel that the ladies have to work really hard to keep it in place. Whenever you see anyone doing it in freestyle, it always travels.

David

TheTramp · 4th-December-2002, 03:46 PM

I always find doing a pretzel hard in a class. Cos you have to go through it so slowly, and I just can't do the move like that. It's much easier where you just flow through it in freestyle....

Steve

**Franck** · 4th-December-2002, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by DavidB
Is it just me, or is a return difficult in a class. I always feel that the ladies have to work really hard to keep it in place. Whenever you see anyone doing it in freestyle, it always travels.

Can't say I have noticed that... I try to teach a distinctive lead between the return and the travelling return, so maybe that helps.
A lot of women have difficulties turning (or spinning) on the spot though, and this is something I end up spending a lot of time at Beginners workshops (and the occasional class when I notice many people struggling).

The basic rules I tend to dish out are:

1- the man is always right! (even when he is wrong, he is right to be wrong, indeed he is creative!)

2- As a result of rule 1, men are responsible for everything that happens on the dance floor, no use blaming your partner guys.

3- All turns / spins should happen on the spot. If you want to end up somewhere different from where you started, travel first (ie take a step or 2) and then spin / turn.

There are more rules / pearls of wisdom, but those are the most common ones!

Franck.

**Franck** · 4th-December-2002, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by TheTramp
I always find doing a pretzel hard in a class. Cos you have to go through it so slowly, and I just can't do the move like that. It's much easier where you just flow through it in freestyle....

There are many moves that somehow we manage to do without thinking, but slow it down and they become impossible... Just like teaching a double Pretzel into a reversed Pretzel

Even the Octopus can be a nightmare...

Maybe dancing in slow motion should be added to the list of tips that DavidB posted last week!

Franck.

**Emma** · 4th-December-2002, 04:55 PM

Catapault. I always go off balance when doing a catapult in class....

I find it a very hard move to do slowly.

**Dreadful Scathe** · 4th-December-2002, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Emma
Catapault. I always go off balance when doing a catapult in class.... I find it a very hard move to do slowly.

After watching Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and mastering floating in mid air - i can even do Aerials in slow motion.

p.s. I may have dreamt this !

TheTramp · 4th-December-2002, 08:44 PM

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p.s. I may have dreamt this

I think that's quite possible Nik. Just what were you on at the time???

Steve

**Gadget** · 4th-December-2002, 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by DavidB
Is it just me, or is a return difficult in a class. I always feel that the ladies have to work really hard to keep it in place. Whenever you see anyone doing it in freestyle, it always travels.

I don't have too much problems with returns, it's all the other bits that I find confusing !!

I do however find that some bits of moves work better traveling. And on some moves I have to move 'out of position' {reletive to the rest of the class} in order to be in the correct place to catch the lady for the next bit, but I think that most of the time it's because the lady is traveling on the turn.
I definetly agree that most moves are a lot harder to do when broken down and done slowly. Even done slowly in a class I still catch with the wrong hand.

BTW does anyone actually 'Lean' in freestyle when doing the Cattapult ?

**Emma** · 4th-December-2002, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by Gadget

BTW does anyone actually 'Lean' in freestyle when doing the Cattapult ?

Shhh..don't tell anyone, but I usually use that 'lean' beat to catch up with my partner's hand. I must step back too far or something...err..but that's the man's fault, right?

**Franck** · 5th-December-2002, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by Emma
Shhh..don't tell anyone, but I usually use that 'lean' beat to catch up with my partner's hand. I must step back too far or something...err..but that's the man's fault, right?

Short arms?

Franck.

**Emma** · 5th-December-2002, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by Franck
Short arms?

Franck.

How did you know?!

**Franck** · 5th-December-2002, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by Emma
How did you know?!

I meant the men of course...

Maybe they are not trying hard enough though... Size should not matter after all...

Franck.

**Emma** · 5th-December-2002, 01:15 AM

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Originally posted by Franck

Size should not matter after all...

Franck.

Sweetie, that's what they all say.

**DavidB** · 5th-December-2002, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by Emma
Sweetie, that's what they all say.

I heard Gus can work wonders with 2 inches...

**Jon** · 7th-December-2002, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by Emma

Shhh..don't tell anyone, but I usually use that 'lean' beat to catch up with my partner's hand. I must step back too far or something...err..but that's the man's fault, right?

So thats what you get up to behind my back is it em. I'll watch (somehow!) next time I do a catapult

**Gus** · 8th-December-2002, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by DavidB
I heard Gus can work wonders with 2 inches...

Well ... I was told that 3 1/2 inches was just tooooo much

**Dreadful Scathe** · 8th-December-2002, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Gus

Well ... I was told that 3 1/2 inches was just tooooo much

Personally, I have 2 feet.

My partners always come back for more

.

**Gus** · 8th-December-2002, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by Dreadful Scathe

Personally, I have 2 feet.

My partners always come back for more .

Well .. if you managed to satisfy them the first time you wouldn't need to keep on having them coming back....

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