Subtleties and improvements to Ceroc moves

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by Gadget

? nope, still not with you:

With some ladies their hand just slips straight into the position they want it to be in while they're spinning, usually one of the two extremes ie just the tips of their fingers against my palm, or pretty much all their fingers in contact with my palm. Some ladies prefer a middle ground and take a little bit longer to adjust their hand / fingers into the exact position they want. I give them the extra time if they need to so they're not fidgetting around when the actual spin starts. It's easy enough to add in an extra half beat while setting up the move and add an extra half beat at the end for styling.

Originally Posted by Gadget

as long as you don't try to raise that hand from behind her back too quickly, yes. I just don't like the speed of the move, diving at the lady's waist, grabbing the hand, turning her out again...Dangers of bashing your knees, twisting them the wrong way, missing the hand, getting a facefull of embarassment, wrenching the arm,...

I remember my first impressions of the move were "There's just soooo much that can wrong with it. But with a lady who's good at spinning, they look sooooooo beautiful doing it. So I've spent some time safety proofing it. It's done with the feeling I described of "I've got all the time in the world", along with the feeling of 'flowing water' / 'smoke drifting in the breeze'. Kind of a dream-like quality I guess.

Originally Posted by Gadget

I have much better ways to get to that position, much better things to do while there than turn her out immediatly, and much better leads out of it again{}.

Do tell

Originally Posted by Gadget

Perhaps I'm just getting old and don't like the fast moves any more

Ekk! You're only 6 months older than me. I'd better enjoy these moves while there's still time!

Thanks again for the good advice,


Christopher

[Gadget]

Originally Posted by Ghost

Do tell

naaaaa: that would spoil the surprise for the ladies

Ekk! You're only 6 months older than me. I'd better enjoy these moves while there's still time!

Actually I think it's more that I enjoy the slower songs more: you're quite safe

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by Gadget

naaaaa: that would spoil the surprise for the ladies

Originally Posted by Gadget

Actually I think it's more that I enjoy the slower songs more: you're quite safe

Ah well, I've got a couple of Blues workshops coming up just in case

Thanks again,
Christopher

[LMC]

OK, I've just started foaming at the mouth at the mention of the neckbreak...

I loathe neckbreaks - I really do. Mostly because I'm 5'9", so unless the guy is 6ft plus or is leading well enough to compensate (few do), neckbreaks always throw me off balance. The neckbreak, unfortunately, is quite a popular move it seems - if someone whose shoulder is lower than my neck leads more than two neckbreaks in one track, I *will* sabotage

To make the point more general: some moves just do not look good if there is a significant height difference between partners. Some drops don't work well either, unless one or both partners has sufficient physical fitness to compensate fully.

[Ghost]

Originally Posted by LMC

OK, I've just started foaming at the mouth at the mention of the neckbreak...

I loathe neckbreaks - I really do. Mostly because I'm 5'9", so unless the guy is 6ft plus or is leading well enough to compensate (few do), neckbreaks always throw me off balance.

There was a neckbreak taught in the intermediate class last night and halfway through, every guy I could see was resting his arm on the lady's shoulder

Originally Posted by LMC

The neckbreak, unfortunately, is quite a popular move it seems - if someone whose shoulder is lower than my neck leads more than two neckbreaks in one track, I *will* sabotage

A general question - is it acceptable to sabotage a sabotage? On a different thread, it was mentioned about a lady sabotaging a spin and putting the man into a spin and how men aren't always that great at spinning. Can we respond as long as our counter leads into a different move than the original? (It seems unfair to try and put the lady back into a move she's tried to get out of)

Originally Posted by LMC

To make the point more general: some moves just do not look good if there is a significant height difference between partners.

Thankfully some moves do suit a height difference eg spins when the lady is significantly shorter. Given that we have a free choice of what to lead you'd think we'd use it better

Originally Posted by LMC

Some drops don't work well either, unless one or both partners has sufficient physical fitness to compensate fully.

Tactfully put

Good insights,
Thanks,
Christopher

[Ghost]

I got to try out Gadget's suggestions last night and finally danced a smooth pretzel . The other tips helped too



Thanks,
Christopher