West Coast Jive

**stewart38** · 24th-July-2007, 02:23 PM

Can someone clarify what this is ?

We have West Coast Swing and Jive which are separate entities now coming together

WCS has foot work which looks very complicated

Will West Coast Jive have less footwork ?

What happen to East Coast Swing ? We could have had East Coast Jive and miss out the Midlands ?

MartinHarper · 24th-July-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stewart38

WCS has foot work which looks very complicated

Triple steps are not complicated.

**Dreadful Scathe** · 24th-July-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinHarper

Triple steps are not complicated.

compared to "stomp stomp" they are

**Paul F** · 24th-July-2007, 03:25 PM

I guess this was inevitable but Im surprised at how quickly it has come about.

Is there any more detail on this i.e. who is teaching it, exactly what bits of WCS are they merging with Jive and so on?

**Dreadful Scathe** · 24th-July-2007, 03:38 PM

was it inevitable that someone would try and "dumb down" WCS for those who lack the ability to move their feet in any regular pattern

? or is it purely a money spinning exercise ; make something sound easier to get more people to go ?

or is there some altruistic reason, perhaps an easier journey toward "proper" dance ?

**Paul F** · 24th-July-2007, 03:41 PM

Good questions. I dont know the answers though.

**stewart38** · 24th-July-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul F

I guess this was inevitable but Im surprised at how quickly it has come about.

Is there any more detail on this i.e. who is teaching it, exactly what bits of WCS are they merging with Jive and so on?

There is a e-mail from ceroc london re a workshop. seems to be just a workshop at present

Simon and Nicole 23rd September

It says

Combing the style and flair of west coast swing with the freedom of modern jive

Says more but I cant cut and paste it

Would make sense if ceroc developed its own brand ??

My question was re the foot work

Heaven forbid I may just go and find out !

Would have gone out to everyone on ceroc londons mailing list I guess ?

There really nice pics of the lovely couple

**stewart38** · 24th-July-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe

was it inevitable that someone would try and "dumb down" WCS for those who lack the ability to move their feet in any regular pattern

? or is it purely a money spinning exercise ; make something sound easier to get more people to go ?

or is there some altruistic reason, perhaps an easier journey toward "proper" dance ?

How many ceroc champs have you won ?

**Dreadful Scathe** · 24th-July-2007, 03:52 PM

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How many ceroc champs have you one ?

whats that got to do with the price of cheese, as they say ? I'm neither advocating or naysaying; just questioning.

MartinHarper · 24th-July-2007, 04:01 PM

More info here:
Specialist

It looks like it's another name for "Coasters", which has been taught at Ceroc Enterprises weekenders a few times now.

MartinHarper · 24th-July-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul F

Who is teaching it?

Simon and Nicole. Here's their site:
Simon & Nichole

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Originally Posted by Paul F

exactly what bits of WCS are they merging with Jive and so on?

From a description on uk-jive of Coasters: "WCS influenced moves and styling without the complicated footwork."
Or from the West Coast Jive flyer: "the style and flair of West Coast Swing with the freedom of Modern Jive".

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Originally Posted by S&N

This workshop is a fusion of jive with a west coast flavour and includes:

Using a selection of advanced moves and a group of specialty moves
Advanced lead and follow techniques
Interpretation
Leverage and weight distribution
Playing through the line
Ladies sabotage and lead breaks

**Caro** · 24th-July-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stewart38

Can someone clarify what this is ?

We have West Coast Swing and Jive which are separate entities now coming together

WCS has foot work which looks very complicated

Will West Coast Jive have less footwork ?

Is this different from the 'coasters' workshops they (Simon and Nicole) sometimes teach, like they did at Blaze? That was simply teaching moves coming from WCS, in an MJ environment. Nothing unusual there, as MJ (like most dances) has always been influenced by and integrated moves from many dances (jive, salsa, chacha, etc).

Or are we talking about the creation of a new dance form all together? If so, it would definately be interesting to know about it, what are the rules, what does it look like etc.

**Dreadful Scathe** · 24th-July-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Caro

Is this different from the 'coasters' workshops they (Simon and Nicole) sometimes teach, like they did at Blaze? That was simply teaching moves coming from WCS, in an MJ environment. Nothing unusual there, as MJ (like most dances) has always been influenced by and integrated moves from many dances (jive, salsa, chacha, etc).

Or are we talking about the creation of a new dance form all together? If so, it would definately be interesting to know about it, what are the rules, what does it look like etc.

well if you read the thread first, specifically MH's post - you have your answer

MartinHarper · 24th-July-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Caro

Is this different from the 'coasters' workshops they (Simon and Nicole) sometimes teach, like they did at Blaze?

Probably not.

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Originally Posted by Flyer

West Coast Jive
Coasters by Simon and Nicole

That to me says that West Coast Jive = Coasters by any other name.

**Caro** · 24th-July-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreadful Scathe

well if you read the thread first, specifically MH's post - you have your answer

then it's simply WCS moves adapted to fit MJ, what's the fuss about ? why would that be considered as 'ceroc developping its own brand?' (I may be wrong but I understood the end of this sentence to be 'of wcs' btw)

Variations of MJ based on other dances have existed for a very long time I understand, like blues, cuban blues, latin jive, etc I'm sure there are plenty of others... The only one who seem to have taken it a bit further seems to be Amir (although, being somewhat relatively new compared to dance dinausaurs I wouldn't be surprised if there have been others I haven't heard about) with Jango and weekly classes. Is it still MJ ? I'd say yes, but with more lead and follow technique than what is usually found within the regular MJ beginner / intermediate classes. Can only be a good thing AFAIC, as long as nobody tries to lure people who dance Jango into thinking that they are doing tango, and the same for WC Jive and WCS.

**Dreadful Scathe** · 24th-July-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Caro

then it's simply WCS moves adapted to fit MJ, what's the fuss about ? .

there is no fuss - Stewart38 just empties his head onto the forum now and again....

...wouldn't catch me doing that.

I still don't know what he was on about with the "how many ceroc champs have you won" comment

MartinHarper · 24th-July-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Caro

Can only be a good thing AFAIC, as long as nobody tries to lure people who dance Jango into thinking that they are doing tango, and the same for WC Jive and WCS.

I did overhear a couple of dancers at a Ceroc weekender discussing the Coasters class they'd just done and referring to what they had learnt as "West Coast Swing", so it seems that at least some people get confused in this regard. I can't recall who the teachers were.

**Lory** · 24th-July-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Caro

then it's simply WCS moves adapted to fit MJ, what's the fuss about ?

I think the use of the name 'West Coast' is simply to get people to visualise a smooth, funky slotted style.

And of course because West Coast seems to be a bit of a buzz word at the mo and people want to be able to dance like J&T without learning foot patterns.

**Caro** · 24th-July-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinHarper

I did overhear a couple of dancers at a Ceroc weekender discussing the Coasters class they'd just done and referring to what they had learnt as "West Coast Swing", so it seems that at least some people get confused in this regard. I can't recall who the teachers were.

Well that's different then. While I'm pretty sure that no teacher doing Coaster or WC Jive would argue they are teaching WCS, I agree that

24th-July-2007, 02:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
stewart38 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ambrosden it gets dark at night so suits me Posts: 6,562 Status: No Status Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 1794	West Coast Jive Can someone clarify what this is ? We have West Coast Swing and Jive which are separate entities now coming together WCS has foot work which looks very complicated Will West Coast Jive have less footwork ? What happen to East Coast Swing ? We could have had East Coast Jive and miss out the Midlands ?

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Paul F Teacher Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 2,243 Status: No Status Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 867	Re: West Coast Jive I guess this was inevitable but Im surprised at how quickly it has come about. Is there any more detail on this i.e. who is teaching it, exactly what bits of WCS are they merging with Jive and so on? __________________ More than Moves

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Dreadful Scathe Papa Smurf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Planet Scathe Posts: 10,222 Status: hidden from Lou Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 7 Rep.: 2391	Re: West Coast Jive was it inevitable that someone would try and "dumb down" WCS for those who lack the ability to move their feet in any regular pattern ? or is it purely a money spinning exercise ; make something sound easier to get more people to go ? or is there some altruistic reason, perhaps an easier journey toward "proper" dance ? __________________ "defiantly a pork soared" -fletch "This is a discussion forum, not some sort of hippy poetry-reading commune" - TAFKADJ

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Paul F Teacher Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 2,243 Status: No Status Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 867	Re: West Coast Jive Good questions. I dont know the answers though. __________________ More than Moves

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MartinHarper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Worcester, UK Posts: 4,113 Status: No Status Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 1848	Re: West Coast Jive More info here: Specialist It looks like it's another name for "Coasters", which has been taught at Ceroc Enterprises weekenders a few times now.