Perfect numbers of men and ladies

**Russell Saxby** · 26th-October-2005, 10:18 PM

Following on from the "record number of ladies / men over thread.

If they was to be say 150 tickets on sale for a party night - how would you split them. Should it be a straight 50/50 split or should it be slightly weighted in favour of one sex.

e.g.

Do you need a few more ladies than men - cos they like a natter??

Do you need a few more men than ladies - giving the men a chance for a breather and pint at the bar??

Little Monkey · 26th-October-2005, 10:34 PM

I'd prefer it to be a 50/50 split.

Saying that, a few (only a few, though!) women too much isn't that bad, as quite a few women are good leads, too!

But what do you care.... You don't like Little Monkeys, so I'll just shut up and sit in a corner.....

And watch out, or I'll sneeze in your direction! MONKEY FLU!!!!

LM

**Tiggerbabe** · 26th-October-2005, 11:09 PM

Like LM I' d prefer a 50/50 even split - but if there are more ladies than men I'd happily lead, if there were more men than ladies I'd happily dance to every track (yes, even bloomin' Raining Men

)

frodo · 26th-October-2005, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell Saxby

Following on from the "record number of ladies / men over thread.

If they was to be say 150 tickets on sale for a party night - how would you split them. Should it be a straight 50/50 split or should it be slightly weighted in favour of one sex.

e.g.

Do you need a few more ladies than men - cos they like a natter??

Do you need a few more men than ladies - giving the men a chance for a breather and pint at the bar??

I guess it partly depends on whether there is a gender bias in how many turn up who've got tickets, and arrives earliest / leaves latest.

Ghost · 27th-October-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Russell Saxby

Do you need a few more ladies than men - cos they like a natter??

Do you need a few more men than ladies - giving the men a chance for a breather and pint at the bar??

Hopefully these factors will cancel each other out.

I suppose technically as a guy if I was being selfish I'd want more ladies than men so I had more choice and so if ladies left early I'd still be able to dance.

50/50 split seems fair

Take care,
Christopher

Whitebeard · 27th-October-2005, 01:10 AM

Is it the general experience that, although an evening nearly always starts with a surplus of ladies, when it comes to the last dance there's always a scatter of forlorn men standing around?

bigdjiver · 27th-October-2005, 01:17 AM

I think that the poll would be better if the poll used ratios of leaders to followers. Given that some leaders will have more than one follower, then I would suggest that the best ratio is about 14 leaders to 15 followers, which I would guess usually comes down to about 4 to 5, or 5 to 6 men to women.

**under par** · 27th-October-2005, 03:17 AM

I think it would be a right good kick up the *rse for quite a few men if there was several events with 20+ men over.

It would be an ideal oppurtunity for ladies to say no to the yankers and pervs.

Seeing the leaders taking part in the battles that normally take place between followers for a dance partner would I feel make them smarten up their appearance and try harder to impress with their dancing.

I am not saying all leaders ar sloppily dressed or don't try hard but I am sure some do become complacent.

It is lovely having followers wanting to dance and waiting to dance with you, I would love for the follwers to be the cherished ones for a while occasionally.

It would be a real ego boost for the followers and may slightly dent the egos of one ore two leaders.

Who knows just a thought eh!

**SilverFox** · 27th-October-2005, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by under par

Seeing the leaders taking part in the battles that normally take place between followers for a dance partner would I feel make them smarten up their appearance and try harder to impress with their dancing.

I am not saying all leaders ar sloppily dressed or don't try hard but I am sure some do become complacent.

Do you mean like guys who turn up to dances with unbrushed hair, creased up shirts and slightly greying stubble all over their chin.........

Next please!

**under par** · 27th-October-2005, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverFox

Do you mean like guys who turn up to dances with unbrushed hair, creased up shirts and slightly greying stubble all over their chin.........

Next please!

Ah but it was only slightly greying you SILVER fox

I've had a haircut too since Monday...

it was a bit unkempt

not like your locks

**SilverFox** · 27th-October-2005, 04:37 AM

That 'mess' takes me about 15 minutes to get 'right'. It's called Bed Head. Which is quite dissimilar to F*ck Fuzz.

**under par** · 27th-October-2005, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverFox

That 'mess' takes me about 15 minutes to get 'right'. It's called Bed Head. Which is quite dissimilar to F*ck Fuzz.

...and how long has it taken you to perfect that???

**Russell Saxby** · 27th-October-2005, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by frodo

I guess it partly depends on whether there is a gender bias in how many turn up who've got tickets, and arrives earliest / leaves latest.

As ticket seller I don't have any control over that.

Unless of course I start punishing people who turn up late.

**under par** · 27th-October-2005, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell Saxby

As ticket seller I don't have any control over that.

Unless of course I start punishing people who turn up late.

List the punishments and I'll tell you if I'll be on time???

**Russell Saxby** · 27th-October-2005, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdjiver

I think that the poll would be better if the poll used ratios of leaders to followers. Given that some leaders will have more than one follower, then I would suggest that the best ratio is about 14 leaders to 15 followers, which I would guess usually comes down to about 4 to 5, or 5 to 6 men to women.

Ok so if the ratio is 14 leaders to 15 followers, and lets say I am not going to vet the ladies on whether or not they can lead.

150 tickets.

14 x 5 = 70
15 x 5 = 75

5 tickets left say 2 to men 3 to ladies - so only a difference of six. I would say that was going for a fairly even split.

Now if 5 of your men did not turn up you would......

all the effort in keeping the numbers even starts to go out the window

I guess when I said a difference of up to 20, I meant somewhere between 10 and 20.

I was not too worried on the finer detail, more as to whether men wanted more ladies and ladies more men if you get my gist.

**David Bailey** · 27th-October-2005, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russell Saxby

I was not too worried on the finer detail, more as to whether men wanted more ladies and ladies more men if you get my gist.

Can I just say

to you for actually bothering to put the effort in for this? Most organisers really don't consider this, or don't care one way or the other. So, thanks.

My take on this, is that to keep it simple you should have a 50-50 split in the tickets you sell in advance.

Another alternative you may want to consider is having a small number of "anyone" tickets on the door - e.g. if you had 150 tickets, 120 could be 50-50, and 30 or so could be on the door? That way, worst case scenario is that you have at most 60 / 90 disparity, and probably more likely 55-45, which is fine for most venues.

Also, from a commercial point of view, that could get people in earlier to ensure they got a ticket.

**Feelingpink** · 27th-October-2005, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJames

Can I just say

to you for actually bothering to put the effort in for this? Most organisers really don't consider this, or don't care one way or the other. So, thanks.

My take on this, is that to keep it simple you should have a 50-50 split in the tickets you sell in advance.

Another alternative you may want to consider is having a small number of "anyone" tickets on the door - e.g. if you had 150 tickets, 120 could be 50-50, and 30 or so could be on the door? That way, worst case scenario is that you have at most 60 / 90 disparity, and probably more likely 55-45, which is fine for most venues.

Also, from a commercial point of view, that could get people in earlier to ensure they got a ticket.

The way I understand it, women tend to be organised and get in early for tickets (for weekenders and evenings), so the men are usually playing catch-up. It also seems to be men who don't turn up with their name on the door if they have a better offer (I could be wrong), so your proposed worst case scenario might actually be worse. Personally, I like UPar's plan - let's have more men than women - it gives them time at the bar and resting and quite selfishly, more dances for me.

My concern with "anyone" tickets on the door is that it introduces a level of unpredictability that isn't helpful for organisers/dancers (especially when ladies attending are doing their best to 'strongly encourage' extra men to attend). It also means that there could be a lot of very unhappy people who miss out on those last minute tickets and have to be turned away and then are too late to go to another venue.

**Russell Saxby** · 27th-October-2005, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdjiver

I think that the poll would be better if the poll used ratios of leaders to followers. Given that some leaders will have more than one follower, then I would suggest that the best ratio is about 14 leaders to 15 followers, which I would guess usually comes down to about 4 to 5, or 5 to 6 men to women.

P.S Maths was never my strong point.. but I have had a cup of tea now.

Isn't there a difference between 14:15 and 4:5

By my reckoning, and it is still early, 4:5 would put you about 15 ladies over. So I would say that is a tick in the up to 20 ladies over box.

Out of curiosity what did you vote for?

TiggsTours · 27th-October-2005, 09:57 AM

Just a thought, but if the ladies like to chat for a bit, and the guys like to have a break at the bar, doesn't that make a 50/50 split still the best option?

50/50 split for me everytime please!

**Cruella** · 27th-October-2005, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by under par

I think it would be a right good kick up the *rse for quite a few men if there was several events with 20+ men over.

It would be an ideal oppurtunity for ladies to say no to the yankers and pervs.

Seeing the leaders taking part in the battles that normally take place between followers for a dance partner would I feel make them smarten up their appearance and try harder to impress with their dancing.

I am not saying all leaders ar sloppily dressed or don't try hard but I am sure some do become complacent.

It is lovely having followers wanting to dance and waiting to dance with you, I would love for the follwers to be the cherished ones for a while occasionally.

It would be a real ego boost for the followers and may slightly dent the egos of one ore two leaders.

Who knows just a thought eh!

You are so thoughtful UP.

I've voted for 20 extra men! I'm just greedy

I love to dance to every track and get quite frustrated when i have to dance as a lead more times than a follow because the men don't seem to want to dance as much as the women (or maybe they don't have the stamina

)
Waits for the onslaught!!

View Poll Results: How would you divvy up 150 tickets at a party night
I'm a man and I think it should be a 50 / 50 split	11	33.33%
I'm a man and I think there should be up to 20 more ladies than men	6	18.18%
I'm a man and I think there should be up to 20 more men than ladies	1	3.03%
I'm a lady and I think it should be a 50 / 50 split	10	30.30%
I'm a lady and I think there should be up to 20 more men than ladies	5	15.15%
I'm a lady and I think there should be up to 20 more ladies than men	0	0%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll \| Withdraw Vote

26th-October-2005, 10:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
Russell Saxby Ceroc Teacher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Welling, Kent Posts: 418 Status: No Status Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 302	Perfect numbers of men and ladies Following on from the "record number of ladies / men over thread. If they was to be say 150 tickets on sale for a party night - how would you split them. Should it be a straight 50/50 split or should it be slightly weighted in favour of one sex. e.g. Do you need a few more ladies than men - cos they like a natter?? Do you need a few more men than ladies - giving the men a chance for a breather and pint at the bar?? Last edited by Russell Saxby; 26th-October-2005 at 10:25 PM.

26th-October-2005, 10:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Little Monkey Cheeky by nature Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Still in Dundee.... Posts: 3,644 Status: No Status Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 1473	Re: Perfect numbers of men and ladies I'd prefer it to be a 50/50 split. Saying that, a few (only a few, though!) women too much isn't that bad, as quite a few women are good leads, too! But what do you care.... You don't like Little Monkeys, so I'll just shut up and sit in a corner..... And watch out, or I'll sneeze in your direction! MONKEY FLU!!!! LM

26th-October-2005, 11:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tiggerbabe Omnipotent Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Monifieth, Bonny Dundee Posts: 5,234 Status: Has sent out all the Kirrie info! Rep Power: 10 Rep.: 1624	Re: Perfect numbers of men and ladies Like LM I' d prefer a 50/50 even split - but if there are more ladies than men I'd happily lead, if there were more men than ladies I'd happily dance to every track (yes, even bloomin' Raining Men ) __________________ "If you rebel against high heels, take care to do so in a very smart hat.'' George Bernard Shaw

27th-October-2005, 01:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
Whitebeard Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Too near to Heaven (or Hell) Posts: 2,004 Status: Back to doddering about Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 381	Re: Perfect numbers of men and ladies Is it the general experience that, although an evening nearly always starts with a surplus of ladies, when it comes to the last dance there's always a scatter of forlorn men standing around?

27th-October-2005, 01:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
bigdjiver Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: bedford Posts: 3,826 Status: No Status Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 776	Re: Perfect numbers of men and ladies I think that the poll would be better if the poll used ratios of leaders to followers. Given that some leaders will have more than one follower, then I would suggest that the best ratio is about 14 leaders to 15 followers, which I would guess usually comes down to about 4 to 5, or 5 to 6 men to women.

27th-October-2005, 03:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
under par Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Worthing Posts: 5,960 Status: No Status Rep Power: 5 Rep.: 2420	Re: Perfect numbers of men and ladies I think it would be a right good kick up the *rse for quite a few men if there was several events with 20+ men over. It would be an ideal oppurtunity for ladies to say no to the yankers and pervs. Seeing the leaders taking part in the battles that normally take place between followers for a dance partner would I feel make them smarten up their appearance and try harder to impress with their dancing. I am not saying all leaders ar sloppily dressed or don't try hard but I am sure some do become complacent. It is lovely having followers wanting to dance and waiting to dance with you, I would love for the follwers to be the cherished ones for a while occasionally. It would be a real ego boost for the followers and may slightly dent the egos of one ore two leaders. Who knows just a thought eh!

27th-October-2005, 04:37 AM	#11 (permalink)
SilverFox Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Balham, SW London Posts: 867 Status: No Status Rep Power: 3 Rep.: 1351	Re: Perfect numbers of men and ladies That 'mess' takes me about 15 minutes to get 'right'. It's called Bed Head. Which is quite dissimilar to F*ck Fuzz.

27th-October-2005, 09:57 AM	#19 (permalink)
TiggsTours Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Shepherds Bush Posts: 1,790 Status: No Status Rep Power: 0 Rep.: 872	Re: Perfect numbers of men and ladies Just a thought, but if the ladies like to chat for a bit, and the guys like to have a break at the bar, doesn't that make a 50/50 split still the best option? 50/50 split for me everytime please!