What is an advanced dancer (in weekender terms)?

[robd]

One recurrent theme on the various Cerocport threads has been that Ceroc offer little or nothing for the 'advanced dancer' on their weekenders. I infer from these statements

• those posting consider themselves within that group
• Jive Addiction do provide more for the 'advanced dancer' on their weekends

I'd be keen to know

• how do you define an advanced dancer in this context?
• what (other than the presence of lots of other 'advanced' dancers for social dancing which is not really something that the organiser provides) are the elements of a JA weekender which had particular relevance/appeal for the 'advanced' dancer?

[johnnyman]

An advanced dancer could be thus:

Someone who has sufficient grounding in all dance technique to lead and follow anyone regardless of level.

Someone who can take what they have learned and add something of their own individuality to the mix.

Someone who can adapt to all styles of dance and music with little problem after a fair amount of learning and freestyle.

best
johnnyman

[Steven666]

Am far as I'm concerned , it's nothing to do with lessons.

I found the likes of Viktor's classes pretty easy yet am FAR from anywhere near advanced. Barely near intermediate.

I think advanced is at a level greater than what is seen at an average club/social night. ie those couples that just stand out a mile from the rest. Purely down to freestyle ability though.

[David Bailey]

Dick Crum's definition works for me:

1. Beginning dancer: Knows nothing.
2. Intermediate dancer: Knows everything, but is too good to dance with beginners.
3. Hotshot dancer: Too good to dance with anyone.
4. Advanced dancer: Dances everything, especially with beginners.

[dave the scaffolder]

AARRGGHH The prodigal son returns under the guise of what is an advanced dancer?

I am not an advanced dancer, but I could be if I stopped messing around on the dance floor and if I didnt enjoy it so much. I can now dance as well as a follower as I can as a lead. I have been told numeous times that I am a better follower than a lot of women on the dance scene. Does this make me advanced?

Define, if you will, fellow Forumites exactly what is an advanced dancer? I cannot all I can look at are the dancers who are exceptional in my eyes, ie Fletch, Trouble, TwirlieBird, DutchGinger, Sara White and Freudian Hips, Batgirl, Babs, Jean to name but a small few..

Do I dance with these? Your Damn Squiggling Tex I do All top of the game in my eyes.

Exceptional men robd, Jamie, Josh, Onkar, Filthy Monkey, Colin from Brighton way, Andy McGregor, Under Par. Not teachers but just sh1t hot social dancers.

All of these afore mentioned geezers and trouts dance with who ever asks them, beginners to fantastic dancers.

The list is endless, AFAIAC,

It is not about the moves, it is how you make your dancing partner feel, if she/he feels sh1t at the end of a dance then you are sh1t. If they feel great then you are great.

It is all about connection and feelings and not about the moves.

Some fantastic dancers have about 4 to 8 moves and if you dance with them you can go home then, because the rest of the night is just filler.

Bit of a ramble but you know what I am trying to say.

DTS XXX XXX

[dave the scaffolder]

Tried to add this edit so here we go....Bit of a story

Last Southport I spotted a little old Lady on the edge of the Blues dance floor, as nervous as a kitten, jigging about just itching to be asked to dance.

I went for her but was beaten to it by Stokie. When Stokie had finished with her I mopped up the pieces and gave her 2 or 3 dances and at the end she said to me....
" Those dances with you 2 were the best dances of my life".

Me and Stokie saw she was nervous and made her soar in the clouds and she felt like a million dollars.

Now thats what it is all about. Advanced dancers or not, THATS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT.

DTS XXX XXX

No bullsh1t, no fanfare just a nice reaction from Stokie and me which left someone feeling special.

[Caz]

It is not about the moves, it is how you make your dancing partner feel, if she/he feels sh1t at the end of a dance then you are sh1t. If they feel great then you are great.

It is all about connection and feelings and not about the moves.

Some fantastic dancers have about 4 to 8 moves and if you dance with them you can go home then, because the rest of the night is just filler.

Bit of a ramble but you know what I am trying to say.

DTS XXX XXX

Well said DTS

[Baruch]

Define, if you will, fellow Forumites exactly what is an advanced dancer?

I think it's one of those terms that changes its meaning according to the situation you find yourself in. It depends on the standard of dancers who are around for you to be compared to.

By local standards I'm advanced (a big fish in a small pool). By wider UK standards I'm just a competent intermediate (a small fish in a big pool). At Blackpool this year I was out in the first round of Intermediates, yet some of the beginners at my local venue have told me I'm a fantastic dancer. There's no contradiction there, as it's all a matter of perception and perspective.

In other words, there's no point trying to define what an advanced dancer is, because the definition would be constantly changing according to where you were at the time.

[StokeBloke]

I think it's one of those terms that changes its meaning according to the situation you find yourself in. It depends on the standard of dancers who are around for you to be compared to.

An advanced dancer (in the terms of this specific weekender question) is in my opinion someone who would get little from attending classes aimed at intermediates. They're the people who attend Southport to dance and have privates with champions.

Please remember Baruch that social dancing and competition dancing are two completely different beasts. Someone who can set the floor on fire in a competition with their 'regular' partner may be dull as dish water on a social floor. Don't let competition results cloud your mind too much as it's a very artificial environment.

Back to DTS's point - it's about how you make your partner feel that counts I think. I have seen a few people who have great moves, but their dancing lacks any sort of connection. It's quite odd to watch.

I recall the lady you mentioned Dave, it was Saturday afternoon if I recall correctly. It's a circular thing. If you can make someone feel special and make them soar (as opposed to sore ) then their reaction lifts you equally. That's what social dancing is all about. Isn't it?

[Lynn]

By local standards I'm advanced (a big fish in a small pool). By wider UK standards I'm just a competent intermediate (a small fish in a big pool). At Blackpool this year I was out in the first round of Intermediates, yet some of the beginners at my local venue have told me I'm a fantastic dancer. There's no contradiction there, as it's all a matter of perception and perspective.

Beginners at local venues... I've lost count of the number of times women have said to me 'I could watch you dance all night' etc - I always know they are the newbies! But its still nice (though it does make me a bit self conscious sometimes). Its all relative. Locally I'm one of the top dancers, elsewhere I'm probably pretty much average. Which is fine, though I love to be challenged and learn from having to follow a playful leader.

I dislike the term 'advanced' dancers. I prefer to think about the more 'experienced' dancers. And they tend to be those who dance more than one style, have at least dabbled in other styles and brought that into their MJ, dance at a variety of different venues with different teaching styles and can dance with a wide cross section of people.

[stewart38]

I think it's one of those terms that changes its meaning according to the situation you find yourself in. It depends on the standard of dancers who are around for you to be compared to.

By local standards I'm advanced (a big fish in a small pool). By wider UK standards I'm just a competent intermediate (a small fish in a big pool). At Blackpool this year I was out in the first round of Intermediates, yet some of the beginners at my local venue have told me I'm a fantastic dancer. There's no contradiction there, as it's all a matter of perception and perspective.

In other words, there's no point trying to define what an advanced dancer is, because the definition would be constantly changing according to where you were at the time.

Exactly

No lie but when dancing in Nottingham area about 18 months ago some guy thought I was the best thing since slice bread. It was a hall full of beginners. I can still get that to a degree at my local venue

I wouldn’t define a advance dancer by any standard but if you suggested a advance dancer goes to a weekender to get some bloody good /challenging dances and get disappointed when they don’t ,id agree with that

It doesn’t make a advance dancer a hot shot if they would prefer to dance with accomplished dancers rather then beginners over say a dance weekend







Ps 3rd round of intermediates

[David Bailey]

Oops, missed this:

what (other than the presence of lots of other 'advanced' dancers for social dancing which is not really something that the organiser provides) are the elements of a JA weekender which had particular relevance/appeal for the 'advanced' dancer?

Errrr....

Ummm....

Can you give us a clue? Is it a film?

[under par]

One recurrent theme on the various Cerocport threads has been that Ceroc offer little or nothing for the 'advanced dancer' on their weekenders. I infer from these statements

• those posting consider themselves within that group
• Jive Addiction do provide more for the 'advanced dancer' on their weekends

I'd be keen to know

• how do you define an advanced dancer in this context?
• what (other than the presence of lots of other 'advanced' dancers for social dancing which is not really something that the organiser provides) are the elements of a JA weekender which had particular relevance/appeal for the 'advanced' dancer?

Is there a difference between an "advanced weekender dancer" and an "advanced dancer" at weekender?

I feel that I am in the former category.

I go to weekenders to dance as much as possible with as many people as possible(mainly in the blues style room as that is the music I prefer).

At the last 3 southports I have averaged 28 hours freestyling a weekend (and 50 shirts).

I love dancing with great dancers to great music. I want to go to weekenders where there are lots of great dancers.

There are great dancers at all ability levels.

I am equally happy dancing with absolutely anyone of any ability. Especially if the music is good.

Am I an advanced dancer??
Not really my call.
I am a more than capable dancer and I try to give a good and musical dance with all those I dance with.
There are lots of better technical dancers than I .... but if if there was a medal to be had for endurance enjoyment I might be a contender.

I organise each part of my weekender experience for maximum freestyle endurance... sleep , meals, drinking , massage etc.

I also improve my dancing at each weekender I attend ...even though I do not do any lessons!!

By freestyling so many hours with so many great dancers to music that inspires me, I really "get into " my dancing in a way that allows me to relax and be more expressive, letting go more with my large frame... it feels great (even it probably looks sh*t ) but I feel I live for the moment of each dance throughout the weekend.

I feel I am definitely an "advanced weekender dancer" .

Would I get the same enjoyment at a weekender without lots of high ability dancers? The answer is NO it wouldn't be as good. As a leader though I can have a great time.
For followers I do not think this is quite the same. A great weekender needs loads and loads of good expressive competent leads to entertain the followers IMHO. (AND OF COURSE GREAT MUSIC!)

[Lynn]

Is there a difference between an "advanced weekender dancer" and an "advanced dancer" at weekender?

I feel that I am in the former category.

I go to weekenders to dance as much as possible with as many people as possible(mainly in the blues style room as that is the music I prefer).

When I arrive I am like a kid in a sweetie shop, looking round at all the lovely leads I want to dance with over the weekend. There were so many at the last SP I still get round everyone I wanted to dance with!

Your comment about 'advanced weekender dancer' made me start to count up the number of weekenders I have been on... lost count around 20...

[Lynn]

There were so many at the last SP I still get round everyone I wanted to dance with!

Oops, missed out the word 'didn't'...

[Lory]

Am I an advanced dancer??

Simple answer..... Yes