..but if your job wrecks your health or if you are labouring hard for a pitance - these are the things unions have fought against.
This isn't what I meant. I meant -a leader with independent thought, as opposed to being locked into the US world view.
A leader with a moral compass pointing the way to a fair society.
Margaret Thatcher virtually destroyed society, and it was intentional.
That'll be why the UK is the top police state in the western world and business leaders get paid huge bonuses despite heavy losses and/or bankruptcy. Fair ? Is this fair as in "fun fair" i.e. we are being taken for a ride ?
riiiiiight - thats why i live in a diseased shanty town controlled by the warlord of the week. This week its Mr.Albatross - he used to be an accountant you know. Viscious bastard.Margaret Thatcher virtually destroyed society, and it was intentional.
The Law Lords have ruled that parts of the terriorist law breach human rights.
The BBC will not be paying silly money to entertainers anymore.
Some live on ghetto estates controlled by drug warlords and money lender sharks.
riiiiiight - thats why i live in a diseased shanty town controlled by the warlord of the week. This week its Mr.Albatross - he used to be an accountant you know. Viscious bastard.
In Scotland, where you live, DS, are there not a lot of housing schemes way out miles from town, with one bus a day, and one corner shop charging silly money for a loaf of bread?
Again obviously she did not destroy society but the ethos of the egocentric attitude that market forces encouraged and the worshiping of wealth above achievement IMHO is to the detriment of society, but you are right when you say this government did not do enough to reverse this though I do feel they made some significant improvements as I mentioned in an earlier post
Wellll no. of course we don't, and nor do most of the Western world.
However:
And where, there is nothing particularly sinister in these words per se, squaring that against the decimation of the coal industry .... how can a man look after himself (let alone family or neighbours) when there is no work in an area?? Does everyone mass migrate away?? leaving ghost villages?Originally Posted by Thatcher
Not that I'm behind the unions either; although the statue outside the TUC apparently (I've not seen it live) shows one work man reaching down to another to help them to their feet ... they just seem to be a fighting force against whoever threatens them. It's all about the power hungry, regardless of anything else.
However, simply just pulling the rug from under an industry does seem unnecessarily destructive. Some of these old mining villages are a poor reflection of their previous selves. And how far thinking is it to respect our manufacturing base and skills so poorly?
Sadly it seems that communities have and are continuing to just faded away.
The local pub is now boarded up, with big 'superpubs' making the running. Breweries aren't even breweries any more!! [For the most part] They are simply property companies, trying to squeeze tenant landlords of any profit they make.
The baker, grocer, greengrocer, butcher, is replaced by the faceless supermarket.
And as Philsmove implies, we now live in a world small businesses struggle with red tape and disproportionate charges, and big business rules. I wonder if these big supermarkets pay the same rate, per square foot, as do the smaller shops? They certainly have the size and structure to deal with all the legislation.
Does all this make for a 'better' society? Yes, sure ... it is more comfortable, and less painless, but at what cost? We can live longer and safer .... but necessarily more fulfilled?
Maggie had no time for society, sadly, although she seems to have supported 'community' in word, in deed, I believe that her actions have lead to its disintegration.
I'm not entirely sure how U come to the conclusion Maggie had no time for society, when the quotation U have posted tells us:
1) We have a responsiblility to ourselves
2) We have a responsibility to our neighbours
3) Life is reciprocal
4) We are too concerned with our entitlements and not our obligations
The manner in which the quote comes across to me is that we should be more concerned with our obligations and not just of our entitlements.
She fell and broke her arm this morning. news.bbc.co.uk
Her ambulance had a police escort and she still needs her special branch protection detail.
btw, this week was the 30th anniversary of her becoming PM in 1979. And it was celebrated.
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What she is saying in that quote is -
All the rights that society has won after fighting WW2 - the cradle to grave care - she is going to try and destroy.
This is because of her penny pinching grocer's shop finance mentality.
NHS - closed hospitals especially cottage hospitals and hospices
Welfare - lots of grants either scrapped or turned into loans to be paid back.
school children's milk - scrapped
railways - MT hated taking the train - spent the transport budget on building roads, for more cars and carbon emissions.
buses - "anyone over 25 using a bus is a loser - MT quote". ran down the bus services. cut off whole communities.
care - became "care in the community" - ask your relatives to look after you, otherwise live on the streets.
council (social) housing - everyone must get a mortgage. no new builds in this sector.
unions - powers nuetured
Her "society statement" twisted it to say that people must not rely on the government, but on themselves - "I'm all right Jack" mentality.
When really is was to gain more power for the government, and "save Money"
The Conservative Party always has a "so called" non interventional policy, but they interfere in people's lives just as much as the Labour.
I'm not saying Labour hasn't chipped away at out "hard won human rights too", but MT was the first to start dismantling everything that Atlee and Bevan set up.
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