Jive Addiction - The Next Chapter

[geoff332]

I posted the e-mail this morning but I reported it for the mods to take a look, its been 'soft delited' for now for Frank to read with regards the 'name and shame' rules.

I'll repeat (as near as I can remember) what I posted in reply to that.

Airing your dirty laundry in public is, to me, grossly unprofessional. It's been done by both sides in this case (and by some people less directly involved). If you've got a genuine grievance that can be prosecuted in the courts, then that should be done. If you've not, then the parties need to sort it out amongst themselves - which may involve walking away if nothing else works. If you do make it public, then neither party has much chance of walking away with their dignity intact. And the result is most likely to be a mess.

[Lory]

Airing your dirty laundry in public is, to me, grossly unprofessional..

I think the most important thing from a business view, is to make sure you don't make your (potential) customers feel uncomfortable.

[Andy McGregor]

BUT FOR LEGAL REASONS, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT NOBODY POSTS THE STATEMENT ON THE FORUM, AS WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT LEGAL ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AGAINST THE FORUM

And while you're at it, please present your books for burning at the appropriate citizen numbering and cleansing station

N.B. Wes didn't send me an email

[stewart38]

I never saw Wes E-mail and all that loyalty

[Andy McGregor]

I never saw Wes E-mail and all that loyalty

My guess is that the Jive Addiction mailing list was held by John.

Wes rang me last Friday and told me the news in person. But I still didn't get an email from him.

[djtrev]

Don't you just hate it when you dont know what the hell everyone is going on about.

[Steven666]

MODERATION NOTICE

WE ARE AWARE THAT A STATEMENT BY WES, HAS BEEN EMAILED OUT TO A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS

BUT FOR LEGAL REASONS, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT NOBODY POSTS THE STATEMENT ON THE FORUM, AS WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT LEGAL ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AGAINST THE FORUM

I would like to add, we do not wish to stifle any debate that may arise from the current situation but please be aware, that due to the above threat of legal action, we will have to monitor this thread very closely, with regard to the 'name and shame' rules

Thank you in advance for your cooperation

The moderating team

Lol, lol indeed, says it all me thinks!

[Steven666]

I think the most important thing from a business view, is to make sure you don't make your (potential) customers feel uncomfortable.

Probably a bit too late for some!

[Brian Doolan]

I never saw Wes E-mail and all that loyalty

I don't even know Wes and I got it

[stewart38]

I don't even know Wes and I got it

I have it now from a different source

As people have said he probably doesnt have the full e-mail base.

However Facebook, Twitter or what ever, a new base can be built up fairly quickly I guess.

For me however its always whats on offer.

I dont think the rant adds anything, lets hope Wes had a few things up his sleeve and then people can decide.

[Double Trouble]

Don't you just hate it when you dont know what the hell everyone is going on about.

Yes, it's horrible isn't it? I've just caught up on this thread and was thinking "what email, what email?"

I then looked at my emails and found that Wes had indeed sent the email to me too, so I'm in the circle of trust after all! Phew! I was feeling all rejected for a brief moment then.

If you want a copy, PM me your email address and I'll send the email on to you, then you can join in the discussion.

This is a tough one for me. I went to Gran Canaria with Jon and Wes in August this year (by "with them" I mean I went on their dance holiday, not that I was sharing a bed with either of them or anything saucy like that). There were only about 40 of us in total for the whole week so it was quite easy to chat to everyone on the holiday and actually spend quite a lot of the evening forging friendships, getting to know people and having lively discussions and debates.

I found both Jon and Wes very good company. They're both very different people but equally interesting, witty and enjoyable to chat to so it saddens me deeply to see such a successful partnership become so sour.

As with the whole Ceroc/Jive Addiction fiasco last year, I won't take sides. As I've said before I attend events that fit in with my social calender, I don't care who runs them. I think most people do the same...so with that in mind I totally agree with Lory in that it's bad form to make your customers feel uncomfortable by airing the guts of a disagreement to anyone on the mailing list and I really hope (although I suspect it wont) Jon and Wes will just dust themselves down and start afresh with they're own thing and leave the mud slinging alone.

[Lory]

(by "with them" I mean I went on their dance holiday, not that I was sharing a bed with either of them or anything saucy like that).

I'm so glad that's clear now!

[rtwwpad]

eh?

Some of us poor people not in the loop were talking about booking this as Swish is all booked out and now its all gone a bit confusing. Is it on/ off, duels at dawn, man bags at midnight?

[djtrev]

I suppose that the Ceroc v JA spat over Southport came at the right time really.
Assuming that JA would still be running Southport had it not been for the 'takeover',the results of this little(?) spat would in some way have tarnished the image of Southport.Instead at least most people still think of it as John and Wes crowning glory.

Unfortunately the rest of the business does seem to cast a cloud of uncertain
feelings towards one or other of the partnership.
Lets hope that they can come to an amicable agreement.




But for me you can make it as public as you like
I would still go to whatever weekender I liked and could afford so the outcome is immaterial to me.

[Dreadful Scathe]

I would still go to whatever weekender I liked and could afford so the outcome is immaterial to me.

So would pretty much everyone else, especially if friends are going.

[fletch]

I never saw Wes E-mail and all that loyalty

say's it all

My guess is that the Jive Addiction mailing list was held by John.

that what I understand

Probably a bit too late for some!

eh?

Some of us poor people not in the loop were talking about booking this as Swish is all booked out and now its all gone a bit confusing. Is it on/ off, duels at dawn, man bags at midnight?

booking what?

Manchester?

So would pretty much everyone else, especially if friends are going.

aint that the truth

[rtwwpad]

yes manchester

[jivecat]

he didn't send me one

He's sent me three!

[Cruella]

yes manchester

It makes no difference to the Manchester weekend at all. I view the split the same way I would if two friends, that were married, went their separate ways. There will usually be an injured party and some hurt, one or both wanting to tell everyone what a swine the ex is, it is unfair for either to expect their friends to take sides (or in this case the dancers too). Good friends will be supportive to both parties but not get too involved in the whys and wherefores of the split.
I wish good luck to both John and Wes with whatever they do in their 'single' lives.

[frodo]

Airing your dirty laundry in public is, to me, grossly unprofessional.

Society works to a significant degree because a sense of injustice can override an individual's own interests.

Luckily not everyone is 'professional', in your terms.

If you've got a genuine grievance that can be prosecuted in the courts, then that should be done.

From what I understand of our court system, in most cases, that probably is the least wise course.