Jive Addiction - The Next Chapter

[Andy McGregor]

I'd love to tell you where to go for free cake, but my hands are tied by the rules.

Greg

We do a weekly class with free cake. I can't tell you where either

And we have an innovation in the cake/dance interface. If you bring a home-made cake you get in for free! But it must be home-made, not from a shop.

One night we actually caught a guy sneaking home-made cake into his dancing bag!

[Rocky]

We do a weekly class with free cake. I can't tell you where either

And we have an innovation in the cake/dance interface. If you bring a home-made cake you get in for free! But it must be home-made, not from a shop.

One night we actually caught a guy sneaking home-made cake into his dancing bag!

Err... pardon me for saying but haven't you retired from the Forum Andy?? Made a big thing of it - not a nice place to be anymore, etc. etc..

[Andy McGregor]

Err... pardon me for saying but haven't you retired from the Forum Andy?? Made a big thing of it - not a nice place to be anymore, etc. etc..

Sorry, got swept along with posting about Britrock and sort of stayed.

The nasty element seems to have toned it down a bit

I'll be posting all the time there's civilised but heated debate punctuated by moments of sillyness from a blue-boy - and staying away if people stop playing nicely.

Are you saying you'd rather I wasn't posting?

[Astro]

The plot thickens, Johnah has sent out an email too.

[jivecat]

The plot thickens, Johnah has sent out an email too.

I've just received it. This is rapidly getting absurd. I think it is impossible for the average, uninformed, outsider bog-standard punter (eg me) to have a chance in hell of working out who, if anyone, is in the right/wrong. Apart from the entertainment value, (and there's no such thing as bad publicity) I've lost sight of why we're being asked to care.

[Double Trouble]

The plot thickens, Johnah has sent out an email too.

OooooOOOoooohhhhh!!!!! I Say!!!! Interesting reading indeed!

Well, John (and his solicitors) clearly think Wes has been telling porkies.

So, two completely conflicting stories (there's a surprise).

So, when Rocky says...

Ok, so you have no ethical or moral code that you adhere to, that's fine.

When an organizer has been exposed as someone who will misrepresent the truth to gain support to earn money and when that organizer has been shown to deceive his business partners, my ethical code would tell me not to support his events... but I guess I'm in the minority.

Are dancers really that morally bankrupt?

It's not a case of being "morally bankrupt", but more a case of "We'll never know what the truth is so couldn't judge either Jon or Wes, even if we wanted to"



Oh and "Yeah that" to the quote by jivecat below, which I didn't see before I wrote this post...

I've just received it. This is rapidly getting absurd. I think it is impossible for the average, uninformed, outsider bog-standard punter (eg me) to have a chance in hell of working out who, if anyone, is in the right/wrong. Apart from the entertainment value, (and there's no such thing as bad publicity) I've lost sight of why we're being asked to care.

[Andy McGregor]

OooooOOOoooohhhhh!!!!!

Didn't you notice the totally off-topic mention of "free cake"?

IMHO "free cake" is much more interesting. You know who to believe when it comes to cake, especially chocolate cake. Although carrot cake has a certain honesty too. I'm not so sure about lemon drizzle cake - is it real lemon or lemon flavouring and was it really drizzled? I'm not sure and I'm not having any cake that requires the advice of a solicitor



p.s. For those who might be thinking "Andy is totally off-topic and should be castrated". Are you sure? Does he really mean "cake" or "lemon" or is there a hidden meaning?

p.p.s. No, there is no hidden meaning. But I had you thinking for a second or two.

p.p.p.s. Or is the p.p.s. a double bluff?

[Zuhal]

So it transpires that these two hard done by souls who were so innovative and fun were really only the happy recipients of having the walls and the doors and the deck in the right place at Southport. Underneath it all their just a pair of normal selfish businessmen.

My reaction, cus I do not know which is which, and don't care, is to delay booking for Weston until I am confidant that they will not go out of business with my money.

Z

[Yliander]

The plot thickens, Johnah has sent out an email too.

[Dance Demon]

My reaction, cus I do not know which is which, and don't care, is to delay booking for Weston until I am confidant that they will not go out of business with my money.

Z

There is no "they" anymore....and it's highly unlikely

[frodo]

So it transpires that these two hard done by souls who were so innovative and fun were really only the happy recipients of having the walls and the doors and the deck in the right place at Southport.

To demonstrate that this is false, consider whether the walls, doors and deck have much to do with the workshop schedule. You can argue about the DJ's etc, but it isn't difficult to demonstrate that the number, range and quality of the workshops Jive Addiction held show clear blue water over the Ceroc ones. Compare the DVDs.

And the doors, walls and decks of Camber facilities aren't that much worse. Take a look at the workshop schedule there, to see what Ceroc offer without significant competition to what Jive Addiction offered (again without much competition to worry about).

If you're going to make assertions like that you might consider backing it up.

Underneath it all their just a pair of normal selfish businessmen

Perhaps you could clarify exactly what you mean to convey here.

A market economy works because people generally work in their own self interest.

It could be argued that much of what they've done hasn't been in their best self interest.

[Dreadful Scathe]

I'll be posting all the time there's civilised but heated debate punctuated by moments of sillyness from a blue-boy

you've been away too long if you think that's anything new

IMHO "free cake" is much more interesting.

You won't get any arguments from me on that score

Although, clearly "the cake is a lie" until proof is forthcoming

like this

[frodo]

... has sent out an email too.

Possibly not so much an email as a set of quotes referring to email.


As a general principle, it bothers me when I see quotes without knowing the context.

It is impossible to know what is actually being said.

However if the reader doesn't read selective quoting very very carefully, it is so easy to end up with a impression that something is being said that isn't.

[Rocky]

It's not a case of being "morally bankrupt", but more a case of "We'll never know what the truth is so couldn't judge either Jon or Wes, even if we wanted to"...

Still not buying that... people are saying well, it's all just hearsay so who do you believe - but it's no different to any situation where two people are giving you different stories. If your best friend tells you that her boyfriend's been sleeping with the Russian nanny, you don't need to ask for pictures to prove it, do you? What you do is take what you know of her and what you know of him, look at the emotional responses and make a value judgement as to whether you believe it or not.

Now, it's really not for me to say because I've only met them both once - but on that meeting I was left with no doubt about who I liked and who I would have trusted.... and I KNOW many of you feel the same and just don't have the balls (or the flaps) to post it..

Two things come out of this latest development, and the first is anyone that has a real legal case against someone doesn't need to publicly go on about it - they just get on and sue. So all this legal hyperbole from 'he who should remain nameless' is just hot air..

Secondly, what you need to ask yourself is why would Wes, who was pretty much universally liked by everyone who met him, start such a vindictive string of emails against someone who had been both his friend and business partner for many years?

I don't think the answer to that is rocket science is it...?

[Trousers]

I'm bored with this now!
Can't we have pistols at dawn or something quick.
This continuing arms race of repeated visits to the Launderette of life that is the Internet, airing more and more thread bear unmentionables is taking too long.
How about Conkers or Buckaroo? Best out of Three. Winner takes all.

Then we can all get over it.

[Lory]

anyone that has a real legal case against someone doesn't need to publicly go on about it - they just get on and sue.

Question,
Is this the kind of case that would be heard in a public court of law?

I mean, would the findings be available to Joe public afterwards

If so, maybe it would have been wisest to simply wait for the outcome, before going public?

[rtwwpad]

Can someone pm me John's email. I didn't get it, although I have had Wes's.

Might as well get both sides of the story

Thanks.

[Trouble]

Can someone pm me John's email. I didn't get it, although I have had Wes's.

Might as well get both sides of the story

Thanks.

oooooh i got the email this morning... didn't get the other one. I read it, deleted it and put it where is should be, in the bin.

Rats, Ass and Cares all spring to mind.

Anyway, ive just booked manchester with Ruby in February.. not even sure which of the Jeswards even runs it but im going anyway. !!!

[rtwwpad]

Many thanks, I am now up to speed with John's letter

[philsmove]

So, two completely conflicting stories (there's a surprise).

...

Not quite, Johns main point seems to be about a confidentiality clause
Incidentally, I got John's e mail but not Wes;'s ( at least not from Wes)