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[DavidY]

Originally posted by bigdjiver
I joined the class late. Shoulder drop ??

I joined the class late too - only to have the teacher point out that I'd just joined in, and giving a running commentary to the rest of the class on whether I'd got the new move right or not. Thanks Marc...

[MartinHarper]

So if I wanted to do the old-style yoyo as a variation (ie, because I forgot it's different in Ceroc), what do I call it?

[MartinHarper]

So can anyone now list the new beginners moves ?

http://www.cerockidderminster.co.uk/...ners_moves.tpl

[Lounge Lizard]

shoulder drop in a beginners class am I reading this correct?

If so, sorry I do not agree with any form of drop in a beginners class, these IMHO are intermediate moves, how can a new dancer who is struggling with the arm jive or first move be expected to correctly execute any form of drop without risk of injury to their self or their partner.
Even if the lady is supposed to take their own weight there is no guarentee of safety. Many times the guy gets over zealous or the lady throws herself into the move

Source of Move
I know some of the moves I teach are original, some are adapted and some taken from other dance styles or teachers, many a time I have stood on stage at camber and given full credit to the person I got the move from, and I know others have done the same for me.

I am aware that on occasions I will spent weeks developing a move, teach it at Camber then find out a week later it is being taught as a new ceroc/leroc move invented by their local teacher, that is annoying, yes new moves once taught at camber or other events are in the public domain and free for all to use, but credit for our efforts is nice.
peter

[Gordon J Pownall]

shoulder drop in a beginners class am I reading this correct?

Actually no mate....

it's just a name that Ceroc has used for a move....

Start off R to R

1. Both step back

2. Both step in man turns the lady anti clockwise to face

3. Man turns clockwise turning his back to the lady placing the lady's right hand onto his right shoulder (keeping hold)

4. Both step to right as man extends his right hand out to right (holding on to ladies right hand)

5. Both step to left as man brings lady's hand back to his right shoulder.

6. Man steps forward, letting go of ladies right hand, offering left hand behind his back (ladies hand DROPS FROM SHOULDER - hence shoulder drop), cathing mens left hand to ladies right hand

7. Man steps back as lady steps forward, pulling and raising his left hand turning the lady anti clockwise under his left hand

8. Both step back


Hope this helps - I agree with your sentiment though - it would be scary to teach any form of drop, lift seducer in a beginners class (sometimes even the intermediate class). Much better to be left for masterclasses / workshops...

I tend to limit the intermediate classes to leans and dips where the ladies always take their own weight and take into account if a move can be carried out safely bearing in mind that it is not fixed couples.


See you soon Pete,

G...

[Gus]

Start off R to R

1. Both step back

2. Both step in man turns the lady anti clockwise to face

3. Man turns clockwise turning his back to the lady placing the lady's right hand onto his right shoulder (keeping hold)
.........

8. Both step back

Good God Man what are doing??? ... Publishing Ceroc (tm) moves for the common public to see Even now I hear the heavy footsteps of the CTA enforcement squad approaching your front door .... there will a sharp knock on the door ... and then Gordy will be 'disappeared' .....

Hey ... at least theres a bright side (only joking mate )

[Gordon J Pownall]

Good God Man what are doing??? ... Publishing Ceroc (tm) moves for the common public to see Even now I hear the heavy footsteps of the CTA enforcement squad approaching your front door .... there will a sharp knock on the door ... and then Gordy will be 'disappeared' .....

Hey ... at least theres a bright side (only joking mate )

Actually....this is not an exact replication of the move itself.....and anyway....it's not a Ceroc move......

It was invented by Tarquin Fim-Tim Wildebeest of Scrag End on the Marsh in AD1875 whilst trying to remove an errant badger from his shoulder during the Scrag End on the Marsh annual Badger Spooning Ancient Jive allcomers contest...

[under par]

Good God Man what are doing??? ... Publishing Ceroc (tm) moves for the common public to see Even now I hear the heavy footsteps of the CTA enforcement squad approaching your front door .... there will a sharp knock on the door ... and then Gordy will be 'disappeared' .....

Hey ... at least theres a bright side (only joking mate )

Gordy do you want to hire some protection????

Forget your perfectly formed dance proportions.

I've got a 6'8" frame, perfect for sorting out unwanted CTA enforcers in the dead of night.....for a price

[Gordon J Pownall]

Gordy do you want to hire some protection????

Forget your perfectly formed dance proportions.

I've got a 6'8" frame, perfect for sorting out unwanted CTA enforcers in the dead of night.....for a price

You've never met Angela Shetty have you...???

[Lounge Lizard]

Actually no mate....

it's just a name that Ceroc has used for a move....

G...

phew..
so I am at a new venue, I ask a lady if she is ok to do the shoulder drop (a move I have been teaching to 1000's of dancers since 1999), she says ok expecting the above move, next thing she is into a drop wondering what the hell is going on, has the word drop now got a well understood meaning within the MJ circuit, if so would it not be best to avoid using i to describe a simple shoulder catch or latch move?

[Gordon J Pownall]

phew..
so I am at a new venue, I ask a lady if she is ok to do the shoulder drop (a move I have been teaching to 1000's of dancers since 1999), she says ok expecting the above move, next thing she is into a drop wondering what the hell is going on, has the word drop now got a well understood meaning within the MJ circuit, if so would it not be best to avoid using i to describe a simple shoulder catch or latch move?

It gets better mate...

The Ceroc First Move Dip has absolutely no dip, drop, seduction or aerobatics whatsoever - suss that one out.......

[under par]

It gets better mate...

The Ceroc First Move Dip has absolutely no dip, drop, seduction or aerobatics whatsoever - suss that one out.......

Sounds like a recipe for an injury or two!

[Gordon J Pownall]

Sounds like a recipe for an injury or two!

I know a very good insurance saleswoman........

[under par]

I know a very good insurance saleswoman........

Maybe CEROCtm should speak to her!

[Gus]

Dont know if I've got this right (tried an unsuccesfull search through the Forum to confirm), but are non-CTA teachers now allowed to teach Ceroc lessons? I'd hear that affiliates could now teach advanced/specialised lessons but I thought this was in addition to the usual class format. Could someone enlighten me. Just morbid curiosity.

[Andy McGregor]

Just morbid curiosity.

Or downright nosey

As far as I can make out, some franchisees are doing what they want - and will do so until they're told to stop.

It's like the wild west out there ...

[RobC]

Dont know if I've got this right (tried an unsuccesfull search through the Forum to confirm), but are non-CTA teachers now allowed to teach Ceroc lessons? I'd hear that affiliates could now teach advanced/specialised lessons but I thought this was in addition to the usual class format. Could someone enlighten me. Just morbid curiosity.

Well I can't speak for Ceroc HQ or other venues, but noone at Fleet has had any CTA training ......

[Gus]

Well I can't speak for Ceroc HQ or other venues, but noone at Fleet has had any CTA training ......

Don't fret .. that doesn't neccesarily make you a baaad person

[Gojive]

Indeed!...In fact I quite enjoyed your 'Improvers Class' on a Thursday Rob. IMHO, it filled a much needed gap, that was rarely exploited by traditional MJ/FJ/Ceroc setups

EDIT: Ooops! forgot to hit the "Quote" button!

[CJ]

Don't fret .. that doesn't neccesarily make you a baaad person

Just too old or ugly?!?