Bristol Leroc 2002 Competition

**Gus** · 29th-November-2002, 03:01 PM

Just noticed that the video has gone on sale for the LeRoc 2002 champs ... but can't find the result anywhere. Does anyone know who won the major catgories? Does anyone know if any of the major competitors entered?

**Lou** · 29th-November-2002, 03:04 PM

From John Gimber's LeRoc in Bristol website....

Dance With A Stranger
1. Ebby Salem & Jennie Slade (Bristol)
2. Simon Bowker (Bristol) & Margaret ? (Bath)
3. Simon Arundel (Bristol) & Sarah Marsden-Booth

Intermediates Freestyle
1. Elliot ? & partner
2. Ray & Jane Godman
3. Simon Arundel (Bristol) & Alison Williams (Cardiff)

Advanced Freestyle
1. Graham LeClerc & Sarah Johnson
2. Simon Bowker (Bristol) & Jennie Harrison (Bristol)
3. Graham Weeks (Bristol) & Jennie Slade (Bristol)

Showcase
1. Graham LeClerc & Sarah Johnson
2. Graeme Puckett(Bath) & Anne Peskett (Bath)
3. Ash Nazir & Tracy Clayton

[Article By: Graham Weeks]

**Gus** · 29th-November-2002, 03:10 PM

Sooooo ... in DWAS and Advanced was there anyone who got placed who wasn't LeRoc?

**Lou** · 29th-November-2002, 03:15 PM

I dunno... I wasn't there! *lol*

*Bill* · 1st-December-2002, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Lou
From John Gimber's LeRoc in Bristol website....

Intermediates Freestyle
1. Elliot ? & partner
2. Ray & Jane Godman
3. Simon Arundel (Bristol) & Alison Williams (Cardiff)

[Article By: Graham Weeks]

Ah.so the young lad Elliot strikes again !

Better move on up to Advanced now and let the otehrs have a chance Elliot. Then again....there's far too much competition already...so on second thoughts maybe stay in the Intermediate for a while yet

**Gus** · 2nd-December-2002, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by Bill
Ah.so the young lad Elliot strikes again ! :

Ahhhh ... but was it THE Elliot? ..... and does it seem like he really doesn't have a surname?

TheTramp · 2nd-December-2002, 09:53 AM

It was 'THE' Elliot. I was there.

Shame that they couldn't even get the name of his partner either!!

Steve

**Gus** · 2nd-December-2002, 01:00 PM

Aha ... well it would seem that according to ettiquette young Elliot will be competing in the Advanced category from now on! Who will be the next stars in the Intermediate category?

The Advanced Category should be 'fun' this year. Rumour has is that a number of the southern (softie) Ceroc teachers will be entering ... should make it a fair old battle at Blackpool.

TheTramp · 2nd-December-2002, 01:06 PM

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Rumour has is that a number of the southern (softie) Ceroc teachers will be entering

Interesting. Do you know which ones? Apart from Viktor & Lydia and Mick & Hannah (well, Mike Ellard & Linda, or Adam & Mandy - but I can't see either of those two entering competitions), I can't think of any teachers that would do particularly well. But of course, neither of those partnerships teach for ceroc anymore....

Steve

**Gus** · 2nd-December-2002, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by TheTramp

Interesting. Do you know which ones? Apart from Viktor & Lydia and Mick & Hannah (well, Mike Ellard & Linda, or Adam & Mandy - but I can't see either of those two entering competitions), I can't think of any teachers that would do particularly well. But of course, neither of those partnerships teach for ceroc anymore....

Steve

Why wouldn't Adam (I take it you mean Nathanson) enter?

I was thinking about Mick, H, Cliff, Roy, Marco ... and there must be some new kids on the block. Mind you, now that you mention it, can't remember many outstanding male teachers ... but thats probably because I've never seen any of them compete.

Of course there is also a rumour that V&L may enter .... so that means everyone can then just focus on 2nd and 3rd.....

TheTramp · 2nd-December-2002, 02:00 PM

Yeah. I did mean Adam Nathenson. I just don't see it as being his thing. I know Mandy did do quite well (3rd I believe) in the championships a few years ago, entering with James Geary. I still would be surprised if they entered.

Have to admit that I didn't think of Roy or H - I was thinking about the London teachers. They're a bit further west. It'd be interesting to see how they do, if they do enter.

There's been a rumour for the last two years that V&L were going to enter. I'm not sure that I see that happening either. They'd have nothing to gain - as you say, everyone would be expecting them to win hands down, and more to lose. If I was in their position, I'm not sure I'd want to enter. It's a bit like Nigel & Nina. Now that they've made their names, I couldn't see them ever entering a competition again. Of course, they're all going to enter now, and prove me wrong.

Steve

CJ · 2nd-December-2002, 02:06 PM

In fact a plan SO cunning you could pin a tail to it and call it a fox!!

BUT,

will they fall for it?

**Gus** · 2nd-December-2002, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by TheTramp

There's been a rumour for the last two years that V&L were going to enter. I'm not sure that I see that happening either. They'd have nothing to gain - as you say, everyone would be expecting them to win hands down, and more to lose. If I was in their position, I'm not sure I'd want to enter. Now that they've made their names, I couldn't see them ever entering a competition again
Steve

Well ... I had it on fairly good authority that V&L were entering Blackpool last year but an event the previous night meant they couldn't get there on time.

I really wish they would enter. I don't know if there is anyone out there good enough to challenge them but its a little strange having the UK Open Champs and not having the best dancers there. The Blackpool event is still head and shoulders above any other UK competition (IMHO) but it would give a real edge .... and it would be a great spectacle for all the spectators ... who last year were legion.

Must admit, I don't know if it would put anyone off entering, which would be a shame. If I ended up dancing next to them maybe I'd find it really intimidating but then again maybe its the type of incentive to move your dancing onto another plane....

TheTramp · 2nd-December-2002, 02:33 PM

I'd like to see them enter too. Found it strange that ceroc stopped teachers entering their competitions - 'pit yourselves against the best' - but we're going to stop a whole load of people actually entering.

As you say, it could inspire you to greater heights. Although, I'm sure that there are some people who would give up and not bother entering.

On another thought though. It'd be interesting to see how well they do. I've recently seen them doing 'cabarets' at a couple of venues, and both times haven't been particularly impressed. I've seen them dance much, much better, just in a normal dance venue, doing their thing in the corner. Is it the pressure of having all those people watching that means they don't perform that well? And if so, how would that reflect in the competition arena?

Steve

*Bill* · 2nd-December-2002, 02:51 PM

I can feel my dread of competitions coming on just at the thought of all these guys competing.

If I was dancing in the same round as V&L I'd be rooted to tthe spot knowing no-one - including the judges would be looking at anything we were doing

I could dance like I've never dancd before ( ie really well......

) and I'd still be a mile behind dancers like V&L.

If I thought they and a bunch of other teachers were competing I'd have to move back down to Intermediate. Then there'd be the humiliation of not getting past the first round !

But it would be a great comp if they did all come up/down but as we've all said on other threads this does open up the debate about Advanced/Open etc..... I think in London they should introduce an open section and allow all their own teachers and professional or semi-professionals to enter if they wanted and leave the advanced for experienced but non-teacher and completely 'amateur' dancers.

Maybe hold on to my entry for a while yet !

TheTramp · 2nd-December-2002, 03:05 PM

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I think in London they should introduce an open section and allow all their own teachers and professional or semi-professionals to enter if they wanted and leave the advanced for experienced but non-teacher and completely 'amateur' dancers

I've never quite understood the arguement between allowing and not-allowing teachers to enter.

It's not like those people who are teachers have received any special training that isn't available to anyone else. Most teachers don't have any training at all, and even the ceroc training is mostly geared towards how to teach, and not how to make you a better dancer.

In fact, (and this is a personal opinion, and doesn't by all mean include all), in a lot of cases, I really don't think that a lot of teachers are particularly good dancers. I'd back you against a lot of the teachers that I've seen Bill. Certainly south of London, with the exception of Graham LeClerc, you'd knock spots off any of the other regular teachers there.

Steve

**Gus** · 2nd-December-2002, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by TheTramp

It's not like those people who are teachers have received any special training that isn't available to anyone else. Most teachers don't have any training at all, and even the ceroc training is mostly geared towards how to teach, and not how to make you a better dancer.

Steve

Got to agree with Trampy again (this hurts!!) .... overall there is little corrolation between being a teacher and being the best dancers .... didn't think that Gilbert was a teacher.... Probably the best male dancer in the North West, Snake Hips Pete, isn't a teacher ... most of the aussies ain't teachers etc. etc.

The ones I'd be most concerned about competing against are the Beach Boogie/London set ... the likes of Alan Pratt etc. Alan was advanced level when I was still doing beginner classes .... him and a couple of his associates are really good dancers ..... I'd be far more worried about coming head to head with him than ANY (current) Ceroc teacher.

At the end of the day ... I hope most people, even those who enter the Advanced category, are there to enjoy the competing rather than focus on the winning. If thats the motivation then it doesn't matter who you compete against. Bill, dancers of teh standard of you, Brady, Sheena, FC etc. can all compete at Advanced level knowing full well that you deserve to be in that category and are not going to look out of place ... so ENJOY

**DavidB** · 2nd-December-2002, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Gus
Of course there is also a rumour that V&L may enter .... so that means everyone can then just focus on 2nd and 3rd....

Why?? That implies that Victor & Lydia are far better than any other dancers around. From what I've seen they are up there with the best, but are definitely not in a different class.

Sorry

David

TheTramp · 2nd-December-2002, 04:05 PM

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Got to agree with Trampy again (this hurts!!)

Yeah. I'm in pain too!!

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The ones I'd be most concerned about competing against are the Beach Boogie/London set ... the likes of Alan Pratt

Yeah. They should ban him from the blues competition next year!!

Steve

**Gus** · 2nd-December-2002, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by DavidB
Why?? That implies that Victor & Lydia are far better than any other dancers around. From what I've seen they are up there with the best, but are definitely not in a different class.

Sorry

David

Well ... I suppose I'm still in awe of them. I must admit that the Southern Leroc posse aren't any different to much of the pack and even the Ceroc London teachers are all beatable .... if I was taking it seriously its the Aussie/Kiwi contingent I'd be more bothered about. But, and I admit this is from a limited standpoint, I haven't seen anyone yet who can match V&L for their moves and dancing.

From what I saw at Blackpool, few of the finalists were able to interpret the music, relying instead on complex moves. If the judges go for the moves ... well, V&L have those by the bucket load. If they go for the dancing, then I've only seen a few competitors who achieve this..... IMHO of course ....

29th-November-2002, 03:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Gus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,937 Rep Power: 5 Reputation Total: 958	Bristol Leroc 2002 Competition Just noticed that the video has gone on sale for the LeRoc 2002 champs ... but can't find the result anywhere. Does anyone know who won the major catgories? Does anyone know if any of the major competitors entered? __________________ Perfectly Flawed

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Lou Not a spoon! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Holby Posts: 3,245 Rep Power: 5 Reputation Total: 1363	Glad to help... From John Gimber's LeRoc in Bristol website.... Dance With A Stranger 1. Ebby Salem & Jennie Slade (Bristol) 2. Simon Bowker (Bristol) & Margaret ? (Bath) 3. Simon Arundel (Bristol) & Sarah Marsden-Booth Intermediates Freestyle 1. Elliot ? & partner 2. Ray & Jane Godman 3. Simon Arundel (Bristol) & Alison Williams (Cardiff) Advanced Freestyle 1. Graham LeClerc & Sarah Johnson 2. Simon Bowker (Bristol) & Jennie Harrison (Bristol) 3. Graham Weeks (Bristol) & Jennie Slade (Bristol) Showcase 1. Graham LeClerc & Sarah Johnson 2. Graeme Puckett(Bath) & Anne Peskett (Bath) 3. Ash Nazir & Tracy Clayton [Article By: Graham Weeks]

29th-November-2002, 03:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
Gus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,937 Rep Power: 5 Reputation Total: 958	Sooooo ... in DWAS and Advanced was there anyone who got placed who wasn't LeRoc? __________________ Perfectly Flawed

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Gus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,937 Rep Power: 5 Reputation Total: 958	In With the Big Boys Aha ... well it would seem that according to ettiquette young Elliot will be competing in the Advanced category from now on! Who will be the next stars in the Intermediate category? The Advanced Category should be 'fun' this year. Rumour has is that a number of the southern (softie) Ceroc teachers will be entering ... should make it a fair old battle at Blackpool. __________________ Perfectly Flawed

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CJ Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Fife. Posts: 4,983 Rep Power: 6 Reputation Total: 1744	A Cunning Plan... In fact a plan SO cunning you could pin a tail to it and call it a fox!! BUT, will they fall for it? __________________ Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. www.readitandweep.net Risk more than others think safe; dream more than others think practical; care more than others think wise; desire more than others think possible.. ... then the Universe is yours.

29th-November-2002, 03:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lou Not a spoon! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Holby Posts: 3,245 Rep Power: 5 Reputation Total: 1363	I dunno... I wasn't there! lol

2nd-December-2002, 09:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
TheTramp The Forum Legend Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 10,471 Rep Power: 6 Reputation Total: 1692	It was 'THE' Elliot. I was there. Shame that they couldn't even get the name of his partner either!! Steve

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TheTramp The Forum Legend Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 10,471 Rep Power: 6 Reputation Total: 1692	Yeah. I did mean Adam Nathenson. I just don't see it as being his thing. I know Mandy did do quite well (3rd I believe) in the championships a few years ago, entering with James Geary. I still would be surprised if they entered. Have to admit that I didn't think of Roy or H - I was thinking about the London teachers. They're a bit further west. It'd be interesting to see how they do, if they do enter. There's been a rumour for the last two years that V&L were going to enter. I'm not sure that I see that happening either. They'd have nothing to gain - as you say, everyone would be expecting them to win hands down, and more to lose. If I was in their position, I'm not sure I'd want to enter. It's a bit like Nigel & Nina. Now that they've made their names, I couldn't see them ever entering a competition again. Of course, they're all going to enter now, and prove me wrong. Steve

2nd-December-2002, 02:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
TheTramp The Forum Legend Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 10,471 Rep Power: 6 Reputation Total: 1692	I'd like to see them enter too. Found it strange that ceroc stopped teachers entering their competitions - 'pit yourselves against the best' - but we're going to stop a whole load of people actually entering. As you say, it could inspire you to greater heights. Although, I'm sure that there are some people who would give up and not bother entering. On another thought though. It'd be interesting to see how well they do. I've recently seen them doing 'cabarets' at a couple of venues, and both times haven't been particularly impressed. I've seen them dance much, much better, just in a normal dance venue, doing their thing in the corner. Is it the pressure of having all those people watching that means they don't perform that well? And if so, how would that reflect in the competition arena? Steve

2nd-December-2002, 02:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
Bill B.T.C. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Queensferry Posts: 2,158 Rep Power: 4 Reputation Total: 83	I can feel my dread of competitions coming on just at the thought of all these guys competing. If I was dancing in the same round as V&L I'd be rooted to tthe spot knowing no-one - including the judges would be looking at anything we were doing I could dance like I've never dancd before ( ie really well...... ) and I'd still be a mile behind dancers like V&L. If I thought they and a bunch of other teachers were competing I'd have to move back down to Intermediate. Then there'd be the humiliation of not getting past the first round ! But it would be a great comp if they did all come up/down but as we've all said on other threads this does open up the debate about Advanced/Open etc..... I think in London they should introduce an open section and allow all their own teachers and professional or semi-professionals to enter if they wanted and leave the advanced for experienced but non-teacher and completely 'amateur' dancers. Maybe hold on to my entry for a while yet !

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